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Manners aren’t rude

by Karoli on February 4, 2006

 Tonight’s 20/20 was really interesting — it dealt with the question of whether our world is getting ruder.  According to their poll, the overwhelming answer is “yes”.  I agree with them, but thought the show really overlooked the underpinnings of why rudeness seems to prevail.

Sticks noticed that I was watching this show and asked me if I thought he was ever rude, or if I could point to any instance where he was intentionally rude.  Honestly, I couldn’t think of one, though I did remind him that his almost-pathological need to look anywhere but at the person he’s speaking to could be interpreted as rude.  He’s been trying to work on that — it’s actually painful for him to take that risk.  If it were up to him he’d not talk one-on-one to anyone at all. But I digress….

To me, manners begin and end at home when the kids are little.  I have just a few requirements for my kids:  They need to be grateful for what they receive, they need to engage in the conversation rather than interrupting it, and I expect please and thank you’s to be part of their daily vocabulary.  We discourage swearing but I confess that I will erupt from time to time and haven’t set a stellar example, though I tend to swear at things, not people.  However, they do not have vocabularies that are peppered with “f’s” and “sh’s”.  In fact, I’ve never heard or overheard them use those words, though I’d be a fool to assume they don’t.

I’m assuming that some of what we taught sunk in, because the feedback I’ve had from parents of their friends is that they enjoy our kids when they visit, and one of the words they use in connection with them is that they have ‘manners’.  In fact, if my kids have a flaw in this area of their lives, it is that they tend to be a bit judgmental of others who they perceive to be rude.  Again, T and I accept responsibility for this — we have low tolerance for rudeness, too.

Rude seems to be everywhere, though.  Today as I was driving to the Valley I was held up by two accidents.  Both were rear-enders, both were preventable. Had people been just a little bit less in a hurry and willing to place a little more space between them and the car ahead of them, they’d have a car without dents and I would’ve been on time for  a funeral I very much wanted to be on time for.  As it was, I rudely turned up 20 minutes late despite leaving an hour and 20 minutes ahead for a 45 minute drive.  This morning after I dropped Sticks off at school at the crack of dawn I had a “VERY IMPORTANT PERSON” tailgating me all the way to the freeway and for most of the time I was on the freeway.  It was 6:30 AM, there was no traffic, and if 70 was too slow for him he should’ve gone around me.  I felt like I was being tailgated as a message:  GET OUT OF MY WAY; I’M VERY IMPORTANT AND YOU ARE SLIME”.

Which brings me to back to the 20/20 report tonight.  Here’s a quote from the article on the web site:
ABC News: Putting Politeness in Perspective

The bottom line is, rudeness seems both dehumanizing and threatening, whether you play by the rules of a Victorian snob or a modern street gang. Manners are what bind people.

Well, yeah.  Being rude and selfish means sending a message to others that the only one in the world that matters is YOU.  And that, unfortunately, is a message that way too many kids are getting these days, which I think is one thing giving rise to the ruder world today.  The message that “it’s all about ME” is one that kids are taking way too seriously. 

ABC dealt with rude behaviors but really glossed over where they come from.  We live in a world with instant access to information and other people, but it hasn’t come with a corresponding book of etiquette.  We live in a world where we can sit in the isolated comfort of our living room and call someone an asshole without considering the consequences.  Just read through a few comments on Digg to see that principle in action. People toss off nasty comments all the time online without thinking, so what makes us think they can separate that behavior from their in-person persona?

One example on 20/20 was smoking outside in public. I’m a smoker.  I didn’t smoke inside even before California made it illegal. I don’t smoke in the house, never have.  I don’t blow smoke in people’s faces and I don’t light up in a crowd.  In fact, smoking is a pretty isolating thing to do, and that’s one of the reasons I do it — I am by nature a shy person and sometimes the effort to maintain contact is overwhelming.  (Yes, I know I need to quit, I’m working on it, no lectures please) 

Here’s an example of the ABC report turned in reverse:  I will be in a parking lot (not next to a door, not blowing smoke into someone’s pathway inside), when a family will walk past.  The children will begin the fake coughing and hacking exaggeratedly, holding their nose while walking by and commenting about that ’stinky smoker’.  This has not happened just once.  I can think of at least six or seven times in the past year that it’s happened.  The thing about it that just drives me nuts is that Mommy and Daddy are right there cheering them on.  Honestly if my kids did something that rude and disrespectful to an adult, they’d be over there apologizing to their face immediately. 

Mommy and Daddy are missing  a teaching opportunity to help their kids learn to dislike the choice a person makes without extending to the person making the choice.  Instead they’re teaching Junior that it’s okay to be rude if the choice is something rejected by the majority.  Manners aren’t a democracy.  They’re what we do to make people feel more like people– people who matter.

Whatever happened to simply walking by?  Why the need for a nico-nazi statement?  The social codes today say smoking is bad and  by extension so are smokers, making them fair game for whatever their kids feel the need to blurt out at the time.   The message is that because it’s something THEY don’t like, they’re entitled to express that in a public and demeaning way and to encourage their kids to do it too.

Media has a part in it, too. When we’re paying Howard Stern megabucks to be obnoxious on Sirius, isn’t the underlying message is that we actually value rude, outrageous people? There is a school of thought out there that argues that Stern simply does what we all wish we could do.  I don’t wish to be anything like Stern.   Big deal, the guy thinks of ways to be shocking. It’s still “all about him”.

For me, that’s the bottom line.  If we come at things with an “It’s all about me” attitude, we’re foreclosing any productive participation in community with others, because by definition it’s an isolating approach.  Yet that is what many are doing and what many are teaching their kids to do.  Breaking boundaries isn’t always a good thing.  Boundaries facilitate communication and community, because it really isn’t “all about me.”  There is a greater good that’s worth cultivating through simple consideration of others. 

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  • Yup, it came through in what you wrote. :-) My last part was addressed more to what you describe as to how 20/20 reported the story.
  • Swamphag, I totally agree and hope that came through in what I wrote. The issue for me isn't the KIDS, it's the parents and what they either overlook or intentionally ignore. Why aren't they expecting more from their kids? I'm always amazed at what parents will teach their kids to tolerate while letting them get away with blatantly rude behavior in other areas. It's up to the parents to give their kids the tools -- the life lessons -- so they can function.

    Lisa Welcome and rant away! I enjoyed reading the teacher's perspective on it, and love the analogy of the rushers in the classroom and the highway. :) I'm enjoying your blog as well...I laugh and then cringe at some of the stories you tell.
  • Ugh, I go through this with my students every year, who really are very nice and well-raised kids. They are just part of a culture that thinks that if you think it, you should say it (as loud as possible) and that you "deserve" to get exactly what you want, when you want it.

    Example: I provide a nice assortment of food and games for a class party, and a kid partakes of everything before complaining that real parties have soda, and we didn't have any.

    Or: the principal hands out little pencils or ribbons for a special occasion, and kids go "That's it??" or the items end up on the floor.

    So every year we go through it. "Here are your choices - 'Yes, thank you' or 'No, thank you'." And the inevitable day where I lose my patience with a whiner and exclaim, "That kind of talk makes me not want to give you anything!" Eventually, we get to a point in the year where a kid opens his mouth to complain, and other kids quickly snap, "Just be grateful you got something! Geez!" but it takes a whole year to get there.

    Then there's the general insatiability and inability to wait inherent in the culture (the whole highway phenomenon). In school, you can almost see the skid marks when kids are trying to get done with assignments. A kid feels totally justified in calling out, "I'm done!" or worse, "I'm bored!" while his classmates are still working on/enjoying an activity. This is true regardless of whether it's a phonics worksheet, a science project, or even an open ended drawing assignment. Certain kids feel the need to get it over with (why are we always rushing to the next thing, anyway?) and need to interrupt everyone else. That one is harder to get rid of. Especially because we have this ethic in education that children should never be "bored".

    Well, I happen to disagree. I think, within reason, children need to learn to find their own challenges and ways of entertaining themselves. Half the time, kids hand stuff in that could have been worked on longer, that could have been examined more deeply. Instead of expecting someone else to drop everything and give them more, more, more, they should be learning to explore and add to what they're given. But our society is a consumer model. So it's an uphill battle.

    God, this turned into a long vent. Sorry!
  • I wish I'd caught the show. I don't watch it nearly as regularly as I used to.

    This is one of my pet peeves too. And I think it really starts with the parents.

    I worked for years in the computer gaming industry while I was raising teen sons. So I saw it from so many sides.... how my sons behaved, how others did, etc.

    I was always so pleased to hear from adult friends and neighbors (often elderly) how polite my sons were to them when they met up with them. I hear that to this day. And my younger son still is an avid gamer and could give lessons on how to treat others within games. (And no, he's not just behaving one way in front of me and another when I'm not around.)

    My sons hate smoking and would NEVER have behaved the way you describe. I'm also appalled at the lessons those parents are teaching their kids by letting them get away with that.

    Ugh.

    I am not sure that people ARE getting ruder though. At least I can't blame it on the younger generation. The rudest people I have ever encountered have been adults, not teens. I think they're more casual in how they talk but that doesn't necessarily equate to rudeness.

    I still hear wonderful stories from adults about teens who went out of their way to be kind.

    We're the ones doing them a disservice if we're not exhibiting and teaching common courtesy in day to day life.
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