Comments on: Carlos Miller, or Photography is NOT a Crime http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/ ...politics, pictures, pugs and all that jazz Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Amigo http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-35771 Amigo Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:37:44 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/#comment-35771 experienced, I know Carlos Miller very well and he spent years working for "real publications" before he became a freelancer. Over the last ten years, he worked at The Arizona Republic, The San Bernardino Sun, The Las Cruces Sun-News and The Tucson Citizen and some other smaller newspapers that I can't remember right now. experienced,

I know Carlos Miller very well and he spent years working for “real publications” before he became a freelancer. Over the last ten years, he worked at The Arizona Republic, The San Bernardino Sun, The Las Cruces Sun-News and The Tucson Citizen and some other smaller newspapers that I can’t remember right now.

]]> By: karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-35726 karoli Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:08:30 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/#comment-35726 experienced, Carlos Miller is indeed an experienced photojournalist. Your comment assumes that there is no time where journalists are mistreated by police or that police overstep the line between law enforcement and trampling of rights. Given that he spent 4 years as a police beat reporter, I'd be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point. experienced,

Carlos Miller is indeed an experienced photojournalist. Your comment assumes that there is no time where journalists are mistreated by police or that police overstep the line between law enforcement and trampling of rights. Given that he spent 4 years as a police beat reporter, I’d be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point.

]]> By: experienced http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-35725 experienced Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:27:39 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/#comment-35725 If Carlos were a real journalist, working for a real publication, he would know how to handle himself in a situation like this. By his very actions he proves he is not a journalist. More and more web folks who think they can claim they are working journalists will soon learn the lessons Carlos has. To do the job, get pics and not get arrested, takes experience. Not just some weak claim of "I'm a journalist, don't arrest me". Professionals know how to deal with these situations. I find it amusing that all these articles about Carlos and his "experience" fall short when it comes to actually naming all the places he's worked for as a news photographer. If Carlos were a real journalist, working for a real publication,
he would know how to handle himself in a situation like this.

By his very actions he proves he is not a journalist.

More and more web folks who think they can claim they are working
journalists will soon learn the lessons Carlos has. To do the job,
get pics and not get arrested, takes experience. Not just some weak
claim of “I’m a journalist, don’t arrest me”.

Professionals know how to deal with these situations. I find it
amusing that all these articles about Carlos and his “experience”
fall short when it comes to actually naming all the places he’s worked
for as a news photographer.

]]> By: Doug http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-35078 Doug Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:16:33 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/#comment-35078 Actually, the judiciary in South Florida is intriguingly diverse, per a discussion I had with a Court clerk in Fort Lauderdale last week. They still have a number of 60s liberals on the bench, as well as a large number of more recently robed neo-cons, and, as you saw if you watched any of the Anna Nicole circus, a few who might be deemed eccentric. (As you might guess, it was crazy down there. Reporters and TV crews all over the place, including one set sleeping in their station van in an IHOP parking lot because -- they said -- they couldn't find a room.) Actually, the judiciary in South Florida is intriguingly diverse, per a discussion I had with a Court clerk in Fort Lauderdale last week. They still have a number of 60s liberals on the bench, as well as a large number of more recently robed neo-cons, and, as you saw if you watched any of the Anna Nicole circus, a few who might be deemed eccentric. (As you might guess, it was crazy down there. Reporters and TV crews all over the place, including one set sleeping in their station van in an IHOP parking lot because — they said — they couldn’t find a room.)

]]> By: karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-35057 karoli Wed, 28 Feb 2007 04:23:32 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/#comment-35057 The drummer thanks you, and I have this bad feeling that Miami judges might just be a lot like Miami police, but hope does spring eternal. ;-) The drummer thanks you, and I have this bad feeling that Miami judges might just be a lot like Miami police, but hope does spring eternal. ;-)

]]> By: Doug http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-35056 Doug Wed, 28 Feb 2007 04:18:14 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/#comment-35056 Maybe he's obstructing *pedestrian* traffic? Hey, it's Miami, so the traffic doesn't necessarily drive on the road anyway. :) Seriously, whatever the picture shows, of course it's evident between (and upon) the lines that the guy wasn't doing anything other than taking pix that the police ddn't want taken, and they muddled together whatever came rapidly to mind as a rationale. Police who assert power because they must are good cops; those who assert it regularly because they can are another thing entirely. Our two family court judges do, thank heavens, listen to both sides fairly, and have (at trial and in negotiations) found kids, on at least some occasions, to be more credible than the arresting officer -- particularly where the officer seems to have gotten that ego-driven attitude that I've heard called Blue Fever. That may be rare in this day and age, but thank heaven it's the case in my neck of the woods. P.S. Having seen the video of a certain superb drummer, people should live in awe of those chops! :) Maybe he’s obstructing *pedestrian* traffic? Hey, it’s Miami, so the traffic doesn’t necessarily drive on the road anyway. :)

Seriously, whatever the picture shows, of course it’s evident between (and upon) the lines that the guy wasn’t doing anything other than taking pix that the police ddn’t want taken, and they muddled together whatever came rapidly to mind as a rationale. Police who assert power because they must are good cops; those who assert it regularly because they can are another thing entirely.

Our two family court judges do, thank heavens, listen to both sides fairly, and have (at trial and in negotiations) found kids, on at least some occasions, to be more credible than the arresting officer — particularly where the officer seems to have gotten that ego-driven attitude that I’ve heard called Blue Fever. That may be rare in this day and age, but thank heaven it’s the case in my neck of the woods.

P.S. Having seen the video of a certain superb drummer, people should live in awe of those chops! :)

]]> By: karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-35049 karoli Wed, 28 Feb 2007 03:14:56 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/#comment-35049 Doug, Miller's photos refute their claims. Look at the one I've included here -- you can clearly see officers behind him and cars passing by. And yeah, what's "posturing assertively"? I shudder to think what they'd do to a kid with a couple of drumsticks in his hands. EEK. Fear of being paradiddled to death? Doug,

Miller’s photos refute their claims. Look at the one I’ve included here — you can clearly see officers behind him and cars passing by.

And yeah, what’s “posturing assertively”?

I shudder to think what they’d do to a kid with a couple of drumsticks in his hands. EEK. Fear of being paradiddled to death?

]]> By: Doug http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/comment-page-1/#comment-35047 Doug Wed, 28 Feb 2007 02:49:54 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/02/27/carlos-miller-or-photography-is-not-a-crime/#comment-35047 As you know from the source website, the police claim a very different story, alleging, among other things, obstruction of traffic and a refusal to identify self. That said, this sure smells like heavy-handed "I'm the boss" police procedures. I've got a case now where a 12 year old is alleged to have obstructed governmental administration by "posturing assertively" towards the police (as it is alleged five others did). Jeez. I don't even know what that means! Making a face? Daring to disagree? As you know from the source website, the police claim a very different story, alleging, among other things, obstruction of traffic and a refusal to identify self.

That said, this sure smells like heavy-handed “I’m the boss” police procedures. I’ve got a case now where a 12 year old is alleged to have obstructed governmental administration by “posturing assertively” towards the police (as it is alleged five others did). Jeez. I don’t even know what that means! Making a face? Daring to disagree?

]]>