Comments on: Valleywag Crosses the Line http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/ ...politics, pictures, pugs and all that jazz Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Phill Midwinter http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-38361 Phill Midwinter Mon, 14 May 2007 10:50:24 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/#comment-38361 Nick Denton is nothing but a sensationalist tabloid hack. He's a complete gobshite with no journalist foundation to any of his articles which is how he tries to gain readership. He thinks by inciting rows (check out his latest trolling post) he'll up the circulation at valleyrag. Nick Denton is nothing but a sensationalist tabloid hack. He’s a complete gobshite with no journalist foundation to any of his articles which is how he tries to gain readership. He thinks by inciting rows (check out his latest trolling post) he’ll up the circulation at valleyrag.

]]> By: Mike http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-38354 Mike Sat, 12 May 2007 22:03:28 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/#comment-38354 I think really that the question is whether MC Hammer has ever done anything to prove he's worthy of being on the panel of experts other than adding a "colorful" voice... nothing wrong with that, but what exactly is he an expert in that has to do with qualifying him to judge these start-ups? I the idea of him being there actually, but I wouldn't call him an expert. Therefore I agree that it could be seen as a token. I think really that the question is whether MC Hammer has ever done anything to prove he’s worthy of being on the panel of experts other than adding a “colorful” voice… nothing wrong with that, but what exactly is he an expert in that has to do with qualifying him to judge these start-ups? I the idea of him being there actually, but I wouldn’t call him an expert. Therefore I agree that it could be seen as a token.

]]> By: Paul Montgomery http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-38346 Paul Montgomery Fri, 11 May 2007 20:31:04 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/#comment-38346 Why not wait until after the conference to pass judgment on whether Hammer is a worthwhile speaker? Who knows, he might be entertaining and/or insightful. Stranger things have happened. Why not wait until after the conference to pass judgment on whether Hammer is a worthwhile speaker? Who knows, he might be entertaining and/or insightful. Stranger things have happened.

]]> By: karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-38345 karoli Fri, 11 May 2007 20:29:53 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/#comment-38345 So Nick, who's really being "politically correct" here? You claim that adding diversity to the panel is tokenism, but not adding diversity to the panel is typical inbred culture thinking. There doesn't seem to be a way to please you at all. If their photos hadn't been splashed under the Benetton ad (and what is that all about anyway -- what does the ad have to do with the article?), would you have criticized Techcrunch for not publicizing them the way others have been? Here's the <a href="http://techcrunch20.com/panel-of-experts/" rel="nofollow">Panel Profile Page</a>. Same size photos, same size bios. Nothing different whatsoever. So what exactly was your issue with having them in a blog post announcing the addition? So Nick, who’s really being “politically correct” here? You claim that adding diversity to the panel is tokenism, but not adding diversity to the panel is typical inbred culture thinking. There doesn’t seem to be a way to please you at all. If their photos hadn’t been splashed under the Benetton ad (and what is that all about anyway — what does the ad have to do with the article?), would you have criticized Techcrunch for not publicizing them the way others have been?

Here’s the Panel Profile Page. Same size photos, same size bios. Nothing different whatsoever. So what exactly was your issue with having them in a blog post announcing the addition?

]]> By: karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-38344 karoli Fri, 11 May 2007 20:24:09 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/#comment-38344 <a href="http://www.valleywag.com/tech/techcrunch/michael-arringtons-token-black-man-259696.php" rel="nofollow">Here</a> Here

]]> By: Shelley http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-38343 Shelley Fri, 11 May 2007 20:16:43 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/#comment-38343 Where's the Valleywag link? Where’s the Valleywag link?

]]> By: TechCrunch20 and Hammer: Can’t touch this » mathewingram.com/work http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-38342 TechCrunch20 and Hammer: Can’t touch this » mathewingram.com/work Fri, 11 May 2007 19:51:40 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/#comment-38342 [...] Then Nick Denton at Valleywag weighs in with the “tokenism” card, at which point Karoli lashes out at the Wag for picking on Hammer — and then Nick and Mike take shots back and forth at each [...] [...] Then Nick Denton at Valleywag weighs in with the “tokenism” card, at which point Karoli lashes out at the Wag for picking on Hammer — and then Nick and Mike take shots back and forth at each [...]

]]> By: Nick Denton http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-38341 Nick Denton Fri, 11 May 2007 19:40:24 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/#comment-38341 If the race and gender qualifications of the three additions had nothing to do with their selection, why emblazon their faces, like a multi-ethnic Benetton ad, across the top of Techcrunch? Everybody knows that these panels, and lists of top people in tech, are adjusted, often as an afterthought, to promote diversity. You think that's the solution to Silicon Valley's inbred culture? If the race and gender qualifications of the three additions had nothing to do with their selection, why emblazon their faces, like a multi-ethnic Benetton ad, across the top of Techcrunch? Everybody knows that these panels, and lists of top people in tech, are adjusted, often as an afterthought, to promote diversity. You think that’s the solution to Silicon Valley’s inbred culture?

]]> By: karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-38340 karoli Fri, 11 May 2007 18:44:32 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/#comment-38340 This isn't about political correctness, and I'm not as clueless as you think. Why'd you choose out Hammer? Why'd you describe the others as "eminently qualified", AFTER describing them in terms of their race. Does Caterina Fake's gender and genetic composition have one damn thing to do with her qualifications? If they don't, why bring it up? Look, we all know the old saw about Silicon Valley being "whitebread soft" and all that. But you allege tokenism only with regard to Hammer and not anyone else. That's race-baiting, pure and simple. This isn’t about political correctness, and I’m not as clueless as you think. Why’d you choose out Hammer? Why’d you describe the others as “eminently qualified”, AFTER describing them in terms of their race. Does Caterina Fake’s gender and genetic composition have one damn thing to do with her qualifications? If they don’t, why bring it up?

Look, we all know the old saw about Silicon Valley being “whitebread soft” and all that. But you allege tokenism only with regard to Hammer and not anyone else. That’s race-baiting, pure and simple.

]]> By: michael arrington http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-38339 michael arrington Fri, 11 May 2007 18:41:57 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/05/11/valleywag-crosses-the-line/#comment-38339 calm down, nick. We just think he'll add a lot to the conversation. No need to make this a race war. calm down, nick. We just think he’ll add a lot to the conversation. No need to make this a race war.

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