GoFirstline.com: Evil, Deceptive Marketing to College Students

by Karoli on July 22, 2007 · 65 comments

After I posted about the Eldest’s situation last night, my friend Liz Ditz picked up on it and dug very deep. She’s updating it periodically as she finds more information. 

Read Liz’ post first, then come back to this one.  Her post has many great links to media, news and consumer feedback about this.  Mine is intended to debunk the GoFirstline.com website, which is one of the recruiting tools they use for college students. It is a site I spent much time on back in April when he first chose to spend his summer working toward being “the prodigy”.  (jeeeez, what a lying sack of s**t these people are).

Starting with their “opportunity” page, where they outline the top 10 reasons to work for them in “summer sales” (a euphemism for indentured servitude), debunked, one at a time:

Lie #1: The claim that “working with hundreds of potential customers” will give students “invaluable skills and real world experience“.

Reality: The only experience gained is in the art of deception.  The students are trained to make a scripted sales presentation of a ‘future product’ by telling customers they’re getting all of the hardware free if they’ll just allow the Firstline sign in their front yard.  Sounds pretty good, right?  And the system is soooo much better than what they already have because they can control everything from their cell phone.   They can be thousands of miles away and know who is entering and/or exiting their home with this system.  The only “real world skill” they’re taught by the company is how to deceive potential customers by playing on their fear and waving technology around like a magic wand, for the low, low fee of $45/month, minimum.

Lie #2: The claim that “This job, like no other, will jump start your career.” Make the call on this lie after reading Liz’ post and related links.  They are not licensed in many of the states they’re marketing in, they are sending kids out door to door in neighborhoods that are…well, less than desirable, they are associating those kids’ good and unblemished name with a company and product built on the foundation of lies and deception.  I’d say the only jumpstarting of careers here would be to the biggest liars.  Oh, and the students are expected to use their own resources to sell the product, most notably, their own cell phones.

Lies #3 & #4: When the heavy financial burden is eliminated, you can focus on your studies, social life and in the end you come you get even more out of your college experience. and Most students end up paying their tuition with student loans that can follow them for years.

I combined these because they play on the same theme – this idea that working for Frontline(Freudian slip) FirstLine for one summer could generate enough income for students to pay for their education and free them from student loans.  This is an especially ugly lie, because it preys on the students most in need of real financial assistance to get through school — the ones who are not receiving help from parents, who are working part-time jobs to pay for their living expenses and tuition, and who are barely making ends meet. 

Reality: For 10+ weeks, they are clumped together in a “team” with a “manager” and dropped into neighborhoods where they’re expected to sell at least one unit per day to meet their quotas.  To make the kind of money they promise here, these kids would have to sell upwards of 4-5 per day on a door-to-door basis.  Selling means having a customer buy the service and get past the 3-day free look without terminating the agreement.

LIe #5: You will have the opportunity to expand your horizons by working in cities across the US.

Reality: Ask yourself this question:  If you were a student and wanted to travel to cities across the US, would you choose Fresno, Clovis, and Hayward in July?  What exactly would be the purpose of travel to those cities?  You don’t get a choice — you’re dropped where they drop you and screw you if it’s a crummy territory.   With apologies to residents of Fresno — I wouldn’t choose it as my top travel destination.

Lie #6: Work hard at Firstline and you will enjoy awesome weekly incentives.

Reality:  Not exactly. Noobs are brought in on a $250/week draw, but they have to give back $150/week to cover their housing expenses, so they have $100/week to live on until they start selling the systems.  At the time they start making sales, they get approximately $250 per sale on a contract worth $1500.  Those incentives don’t kick in unless you’re selling lots and lots more than that, and actually CLOSING them, which is something that doesn’t get done by the kids selling.  As soon as they have an interested customer they call them into the central office (presumably in Utah) for the close. 

Lie #7: If you prove yourself this summer you will be invited to attend special training meetings, go on the Firstline Cruise, and maybe even be invited to attend our tropical retreat.

Reality:  There are weekly and daily “pump-you-up” meetings conducted by regional managers intended to keep flagging enthusiasm from waning entirely because they drop these kids onto the streets for 10 hours per day, six days per week with the full expectation that they will walk from door to door knocking and making sales.  The only time there’s been any sort of ‘special training’ was when the EVP flew in and shut down their Fresno operation, relocating them mid-week and at night to Northern California.  Sounds more like fleeing the local authorities than it does any kind of ‘special training’.

Lie #8: Being part of Firstline’s management team allows you to hone your leadership skills while enjoying a great salary, car allowance, and other perks.

Reality: They are expected to use their own cell phones to close the sales.  This has cost my kid $1800 for one month’s usage.  His ‘regional manager’ was just switched from salaried employee to contract employee, forget about those magical management bonuses.  Despite promises in the beginning of stock incentives and other possibilities, nothing has materialized and nothing has been mentioned.  However, he hasn’t been paid for the past two weeks, either.

Lie #9, and it’s a whopper: We focus on continuous learning, personal development, and provide the tools to help you achieve your goals. (From the “opportunity” page)

Reality:  They are not given business cards, brochures, or anything that might actually associate them with the company other than contracts and shirts with logos.   Why?  My personal belief is that they are unlicensed for direct sales in many of the states in which they’re having the students direct sell.  If they had actual sales material, they’d have to include a license number which they do not have.  By having no written material and putting their logo on the sales reps as a form of identification, they circumvent the direct sales requirements of individual areas.  This is a theory:  I haven’t got enough facts to prove it.  Yet. 

Lie #10: Your earning potential is unlimited.

I saved this one for last because it is the most blatant lie of all. Of COURSE it’s limited. It’s limited by time, placement, and the product itself. These kids are being asked to sell air. The emperor has no clothes here. They’re basically out there to ask people to ‘allow the installation of this great new product’, get them to agree to ‘display the sign in their front yard’, and pay ‘a nominal maintenance fee’. AND (this is the real kicker), they’re expected to actually go into the home to evaluate installation points for the sensors.

Think about the utter improbability of that. Here’s a guy making a sales pitch with a foundation of fear — you could be robbed, you could be raped, you could be terrorized in your own home.  After that, would YOU let them come inside YOUR home to ‘evaluate it for security access points’ and then agree to a 3-year contract at $45.00 per month? Making a statement/promise of unlimited income is somewhat akin to promising lifelong happiness…it’s a pipe dream and one that’s especially ugly in light of what they really expect these kids to do.

Worst of all, they manipulate these students by suggesting that they will only succeed if they have an “I WILL NOT QUIT” attitude. That means that even when their instincts are sending off bells and whistles, they are expected to ignore those good instincts and ethics because to acknowledge them would brand them as ‘quitters’, something that none of us wish to be. 

I just had a two-hour conversation tonight with the Eldest.  The first hour was spent reassuring him that he wasn’t an idiot; that he had been LIED TO, and when one is evaluating lies, it’s impossible to make sound judgments because there are no facts.  When I did the research on this back in April, there were no complaints to find — there wasn’t even a NAMED COMPANY, because it was all marketed through “The Prodigy” promise of a shot at reality TV.

If you want to see the extent of the lies, check out their Partners Page.  I did.  Honeywell, GE, Dish Network, ADT.  All large, successful, well-branded companies.  And they emphasize the GE relationship above all.  Why?  I believe it’s because GE is the parent of NBC, giving legitimacy to the claim that the so-called reality show is legit.  The truth is, Firstline is a reseller of Honeywell, ADT, Dish Network and GE services.  That’s the complete extent of the so-called ‘partnership’.  Instead of eliminating the middleman as they claim, they ARE the middleman.

If you are a student contemplating this as a summer gig: Run, don’t walk to your nearest Starbucks and fill out an application there, where they actually give benefits to part-timers and operate above-board and legitimately.  Anything other than this, which is a scam and a lie.

If you are a student who has been involved in this so-called reality show scam, I’d like to hear from you. I found Michael J’s blog tonight — he and some others left this week.  Interesting that both he and the Eldest used the term “sold my soul” in relation to their work with this company.  Here’s my retort:  You didn’t sell your souls, they were stolen for awhile by liars and thieves.  The day you walked away was the day you got them back.

The Eldest is on his way home.  We’ll sort things out together when he arrives tomorrow.  For now I’m pulling down the photo I have up of him on the “about” page to protect his identity until this is all sorted out down the line.

Update: Holy crap, they are licensed in California and the agent for service of legal process in this state is right here in Camarillo. Good lord.

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  • http://drumsnwhistles.com karoli

    A PS to Brooke:

    A “job” which leaves the employee in debt is no job at all. It’s indentured servitude.

    And to this comment:
    It unfortunate that your son didn’t have a good experience and now he has to find somewhere else to point the finger for his failure.

    Please. Give me at least a little credit for having a brain cell of my own. For example, are you aware that Fresno had a horrible experience with alarm sales and as a result, passed laws preventing door-to-door sales of alarm systems? Yet, that was where Firstline placed a group of kids. Was that something he had control over?

    Why weren’t the sales people given official sales material? Brochures explaining the service, access to business cards? Why were they called “advertising directors” when you clearly state that they were in fact door-to-door salespeople? Why were these kids dropped into neighborhoods where not one of them had ever lived and had no ties? YOUR husband may have customers calling to thank him, but these kids’ customers were intentionally NOT given a way to reach them again.

    Again, it’s wonderful that your spouse did so well and I can only hope he was paid all that he was owed. Don’t assume his experience is the same as others’, including those who sold lots of systems and now will not receive their full pay for that.

  • Brooke

    Did “these kids” you mentioned not have cell phones? My husband puts his cell phone number on the top of each contract. He doesn’t care if customers can call him because he has nothing to hide. The number to Firstline is on just about every singe piece of paper that the customer signs. And how is it that I know so many more people (in almost 8 yrs) that have had a good experience in summer sales as compared to those who have had a bad one? You take your son’s one year and the people he met and suddenly his experience is the norm? I think my husband and I have much more information with which to base our opinion off of. As for the official material: Firstline provided contracts, signs, and welcome packets for all of their sales reps. Business cards are a waste of time. People who want your business card just want a quick way to get you gone. They will never “call you back”. So, why would any door to door company waste the time and money to print out thousands of business cards that are just going to be thrown away. Your son should have read the contract he signed better to know what he was getting into. Why should a company have employees living off them when they are not producing any revenue for the company? That just doesn’t make any fiscal sense. As for the Prodigy being deceptive. Haven’t you ever seen “a free weekend in so and so” advertised on T.V. and all you have to do is attend a meeting. It’s obviously to sell you something and I would hope most people are smart enough to know that. Millions of companies use tactics like that to generate interest. I’m not saying I agree with it, but it’s not like Firstline made this approach up. And, anyone with any street sense can see that it is more than what’s at face value. I also know for a fact that Firstline was dead serious about the Prodigy when they rolled it out to their employees. Sure it was to generate interest in the company, but it was also to find a prodigy. How is “advertising director” deceptive. Waitresses and waiters now call themselves “servers” now but they still do that same thing. “Server” just sounds a little nicer. So are they being deceptive? The customers are advertising for the company and they are getting a free alarm system for it. If they were just to go out and buy the equitment, they would have to pay for it. And, even if you got a totally dishonest sales guy you would have to be a complete idiot not to see that you have to pay for the monitoring. It’s everywhere on the contract and you have to answer “yes” to the customer service respresentive that you understand that (did you gloss over that in my intial post?). And, finally, my husband isn’t a liar. Never has been and never will be. His approach isn’t based on deception. He is a good man who is doing his best to provide for his family. You don’t know him or anyone else in this industry so shame on you for your uneducated generalization. I’m not a cheerleader for Firstline. They do some things I don’t like, but you seriously don’t have clue when you start talking “summer sales” companies in gereral or the people that work in the industry. I have a little boy who I plan to raise to take responsibility for his own actions and experiences instead of being acted upon and blaming others.

  • http://drumsnwhistles.com karoli

    Brooke,

    1. Re: Cell Phones — yes, he has a cell phone which he just finished paying off the $1,800 bill on for using in connection with his Firstline gig and which, when dropped into Fresno, went on permanent roam. Why would any employer expect employees to use their own cell phones for business? Just sayin’.
    2. This post should clear the air about my opinion of summer sales versus Firstline’s version of summer sales. Nowhere in this post did I denounce summer sales as a general thing — my friend Liz has no use for them but I did not denounce it in anyway. I do, however, have nothing but contempt for the way students were ‘recruited’ and forced into areas that were not open to the sales of security alarm systems
    3. With regard to your “free weekend” analogy, I rest my case. Only this “free weekend” went on for nearly four weeks, until the contracts were produced. I challenge you to look at that contract through the filter of believing you are part of a reality show like The Apprentice while sitting in a group with a high-pressure sales pitch going on saying just initial here, here and here, sign here and you’re on the “show”. What the folks selling The Prodigy understood was that by putting the lens of a ‘reality show’ around what they were really selling, the context changed just enough to close the deal with few questions. I suppose we can thank Donald Trump and “The Apprentice” for that, too.
    4. See this post for my reasons for saying the Firstline sales pitch is deceptive. It’s self-explanatory.
    5. I have not personally attacked your husband, unless his name is Wright Thurston or Trevor Keyes, in which case your defense has just become indefensible. Why do you insist on assuming I have, and further assuming that you are therefore given license to attack me? You don’t know me and you don’t know my son, but would you really attack a veteran who spent four years in the Army? No? Then quit hacking on my kid…and hope yours never has to spend time on active military duty or in Fresno selling alarm systems.
  • Brooke

    I think that comparing selling door to door in Fresno, CA to serving in a war zone is a little extreme, but that is neither here nor there. The thing is that you have personally attacked my husband because he worked for Firstline in their summer sales program for 7 years. All I was trying to say is that everyone uses their own pitch and some are honest and some are not. Thankfully, neither Wright nor Trevor are my husbands. And while I still wholeheartedly disagree with your views. They are just that, your views. And I have my own. I know what kind of man my husband is, and so it doesn’t really matter what anyone else might think of him. And, I’m sorry for being rude. That is not the person I normally am. I offer my apology for being less than curteous I hope you’ll understand that I just spent a stressful day spent taking my 4 month old baby daughter to doctors to try to find out why she won’t eat. I came home and read this and it was the straw that broke the camels back. I hope your son has a better experience in another job.

  • http://drumsnwhistles.com karoli

    No ma’am, not making the comparison. My son is a partially disabled veteran of the United States Army who was attending college last year on the GI bill when he was recruited to go to to Fresno. No comparison, just extending the timeline.

    Also, I think you are attributing some comments to me that I did not make. Here are some direct quotes from me:

    My criticism isn’t directed toward those of you out there knocking on the doors. I don’t think you’re unethical, but I do think you’ve been taught some deceptive sales techniques, including slamming residents who have another security system. (I am using the term ’slamming’ in the telecommunications sense of a smooth and subtle pitch where the customer doesn’t realize they’re switching companies until after the fact, even with the confirmation of their ‘information’ on the phone.)

    The problem isn’t the concept of direct sales. It’s this concept of direct sales, where students are dropped into areas that have already been heavily saturated with this type of approach and left to their own devices to make that quota using a hard-sell approach that involves entry into the homes of the people they’re selling to.

    Others here have made far more sweeping indictments than I — I think they’re really the ones who you’re angry with.

    I hope your child is better and that your husband continues to succeed — I truly do.

  • Spencer

    Well I have already posted but here it goes again. None of these kids work as employees for first line. They work for themsleves. Thier sales pitch is at there discretion. As does any buisness they must use thier own resources such as a cellphone, buisness cards, information sheets, etc to stay in buisness. Any time one buisness does buisness with another company thier is a contract invloved which is very detailed. If the whole prodigy thing was suposed to be a part of the deal it should have been in a contract with all its contigencies and promises. When a company relises that they are provideing services for a bad or dishonest company they can quit. No one was forced into fresno, they signed in thier contract were there sales ares would be. I mean if any company finds another company to do thier sales they tell them were they want sales made. If a comapny had its place of buisness in fresno they dont want people selling in Miami. This is common sense. As for those people who may or may not be getting thier paychecks they can do what is called a “Class Action Suit” and if they were smart enough to have contracts they can win. If they didn’t have clear contracts that entailed what service they would provide and what they would recive then they deserve what they get. Who cares if Firstline is good or bad all of these people who worked as independant contractors for them took a calculated risk and signed a contract. People do this every day and things dont always go good. Buisnees deals go bad for some and great for other, this is life. Lets just be honest you dont see the succesfull people pointing fingers and crying about what other people did to them. You see them acting for them selves and finding the way to become succesfull in a way that suites them. I feel bad for the poor souls who always look to find who did them wrong and why nothing is there fault. We see these people in lots places, some even end up holding card board on the side of the roads.

    “It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.”
    -Teddy Roosevelt

    I hope your son was a better soldier than he is a buisness man. I hope he took responsibility for his own actions and accepted the consequences. When I think of Military men I think of men of great Inegrity, honor, and hard work. I hope that an alarm system company couldnt take this away from our fine soldiers just by telling them “Here is the pitch and this is how its done.”

  • http://drumsnwhistles.com karoli

    Spencer,

    As I said before and will repeat for the last time — you can aim at me here on the site, but your gratuitous slams on someone you do not know are not going to be tolerated.

    Read this carefully: When you tell someone they are a reality show contestant, the idea of being ‘self-employed’ goes completely away. Again — it’s the filter and the deception that matters.

    As I’ve said before, it’s his bad for letting himself be deceived, but the many, many who were speaks more to the quality of the lie than the lie itself.

    They could’ve just said it’s a summer sales job. But they didn’t. They even made pretty and flashy DVDs and fed those out regularly to convince people it was part of a larger production called “The Prodigy”.

    It was sneaky, deceptive recruiting and intentionally so. Save your Teddy Roosevelt-isms for someone who cares. This is, as far as I’m concerned, a dead discussion, given Firstline’s bankruptcy and the impending public exposure of the deception.

    If you haven’t served in the military, keep your hopes to yourself. He was honorably discharged and served the likes of you for four years.

  • blank

    inexcusable–

    it is absolutely inexcusable the deceit and lies they used on these kids. unfortunately my friend got caught up in this scam and came back in debt. i dare you to say that he’s “whining” and pointing fingers at other people. he’s a hard working person who is now working the debt off as many hours as possible, and going to school. So come to me with stupid quotes, insults and heres what i say:

    Those people deliberately scammed these kids, wagging a reality show prize in their faces, used them, and threw them away. If you call them personally stupid and not taking responsibility for their actions, then you are an arrogant fool. Get over yourself.

    but you know what, Firstline? heres what i say–
    if anything i thank you for one thing, you taught my friend to go and pick himself up again when he gets knocked down and kicked with insults. hes going to get on with his life and when he’s out of school and has a good job he’s going to look back and know that when all is said and done, he won.

    Thank you Firstline, (not the sales people, the people who saw it fitting to lie others for business) for benefiting our society and showing us there are people low enough to twist and use the dreams of kids to their own benefit, leaving them to pick up the mess, congratulations.

    Karoli, i’m sorry your son got caught up in it, though if anything I hope he picks himself up again and perseveres through this tough time to a better one.

  • Aaron

    One thing I never saw mentioned here is worker’s compensation insurance. Employers are required by law to carry it for employees. If salesmen for the company are considered “independent contractors” instead of “employees,” then that saves a truckload of money on worker’s comp insurance. It also means the employer doesn’t have to meet minimum wage requirements. Couple that with the supposed insulation from litigation and it’s a pretty slick setup.

    I sold Dish Network door-to-door in and around Fresno in early 2004 and made $500 in a month and a half, from a classified ad that promised $1,500-$2,500 a month to start. In the setup I was in, the salesman knocks on the door, sells a dish setup (although we weren’t paid any extra for, say, selling the customer on a DVR system or the America’s Top 180 programming package instead of the America’s Top 60, even though those resulted in higher monthly revenues for EchoStar), then during the close, gets the customer’s order information, address, social security number and $5 (the salesman could waive it but it would be deducted from his commission… I hardly ever had cash on me to make change so I was notorious for coming back with baggies filled with $5 in nickels and pennies). Then, at the end of the night, all the sales people that went out together would head back to the office in the third floor of the old control tower at the Chandler Airport, and one of the two or three people that did office work would run each order’s name, address and SSN for a credit check. If a customer didn’t pass the credit check, a rejection letter was sent out, including contact info for the credit bureaus. If the customer’s credit was OK, someone working the phones would call to set up an install appointment. That’s where the risk of buyer’s remorse was most dangerous (the wife told me to cancel, or some other excuse, usually). The customer could also BR on us when the installer would show up, and sales staff weren’t paid until the install was final and the paperwork was all signed, including the one-year commitment at a time when Dish itself was advertising no commitment. So from all that, I only made $500, and I had the built-in advantages of having no tattoos, having a normal haircut (with regular showers) and not smoking. When it comes to money, most people respond better to someone who doesn’t look like he just got out of prison, who doesn’t have unkempt, greasy hair and who doesn’t reek of cigarette smoke.

  • Colton Cuny

    You people that wrote this have no idea what you are talking about… You obviously have no experience in the sales industry. I did this for a summer last year and in my first summer made over 20 grand. It is 100% the effort that you put in that will determine your success. And another thing, you must not know how the interview process goes because we explain there just how difficult it will prove to be for them. It is not a scam but a great opportunity for those who are willing to take it on and take it seriously. So in closing, please do your own research on what ACTUALLY happened instead of googling opinionated blogs, thanks…
    Colton Cuny

  • Colton Cuny

    You people that wrote this have no idea what you are talking about… You obviously have no experience in the sales industry. I did this for a summer last year and in my first summer made over 20 grand. It is 100% the effort that you put in that will determine your success. And another thing, you must not know how the interview process goes because we explain there just how difficult it will prove to be for them. It is not a scam but a great opportunity for those who are willing to take it on and take it seriously. So in closing, please do your own research on what ACTUALLY happened instead of googling opinionated blogs, thanks…
    Colton Cuny

  • stephen

    opinion – 7 dictionary results

    o⋅pin⋅ion  /əˈpɪnyən/

    –noun
    1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
    2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
    3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
    4. Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
    5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone’s good opinion.
    6. a favorable estimate; esteem: I haven’t much of an opinion of him.

    That is all this reads as to me.

  • David

    It seems everyone has a different opinion about summer door-to-door sales. The thing I don't get about this post is how her son spent 1800 dollars on cell phone bills. If he needed to talk that much he should have upgraded to an unlimited plan. I was just on Verizon's site yesterday and I think it is about 80 dollars a month.

  • Kateters

    my little brother just started doing this. he's worked a month and has only made $200. that's 13 hours a day for 6 days a week. for $200. and when he thought about quitting, his manager had the gall to tell him that he could be in the top 100 sellers because of his technique. i want to kick someone in the teeth! how is this legal??????

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