Comments on: Firstline Security and The Prodigy: The Unreal Lure of Reality http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/ ...politics, pictures, pugs and all that jazz Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dan http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/comment-page-2/#comment-51641 Dan Sat, 03 Oct 2009 19:47:30 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/#comment-51641 Very interesting. I sold for Firstline Security back in 2003. I was not exactly their "best soldier" and echo a lot of the questions/incongruencies that you raise here. Just poking around today and saw your post. Very interesting. I sold for Firstline Security back in 2003. I was not exactly their “best soldier” and echo a lot of the questions/incongruencies that you raise here. Just poking around today and saw your post.

]]> By: Dan http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/comment-page-2/#comment-50824 Dan Sat, 03 Oct 2009 13:47:30 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/#comment-50824 Very interesting. I sold for Firstline Security back in 2003. I was not exactly their "best soldier" and echo a lot of the questions/incongruencies that you raise here. Just poking around today and saw your post. Very interesting. I sold for Firstline Security back in 2003. I was not exactly their “best soldier” and echo a lot of the questions/incongruencies that you raise here. Just poking around today and saw your post.

]]> By: Mike Someone http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/comment-page-2/#comment-40917 Mike Someone Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:02:57 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/#comment-40917 I THINK THAT SOMEONE is most likely a guy named MIKE Proudfit. I can see him saying that kind of stuff about jake, even after jake made him a butt load of money the last 5 years. I THINK THAT SOMEONE is most likely a guy named MIKE Proudfit. I can see him saying that kind of stuff about jake, even after jake made him a butt load of money the last 5 years.

]]> By: karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/comment-page-2/#comment-40916 karoli Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:54:01 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/#comment-40916 To all: I generally remove comments that are personal attacks on others. I am going to leave "someone's" comment simply because it has had a response that would appear out of context without the original comment posted. However, it's worth remembering that while the Firstline outcome is horrible, it was inevitable and shouldn't be pinned on people who worked there and believed in what they were doing. I'm sure Jake sold those accounts because he was a good salesman who believed what he'd been told, and also believed he was helping others in their success. To me, this is the real ugly in luring students to sell systems unter the subterfuge of a reality show. It changes the filters everyone views their actions through, masking the pyramid under a pie in the sky. Firstline's business model was headed for failure because it presumed that many solid contracts would be sold, and that they would then resell those contracts to a third party, re-infusing the company with cash to begin recruiting anew. The pyramid collapsed when the contracts couldn't be sold, and the ones who are paying are the customers and the students, particularly those who were recruited at this time last year, asked to recruit their friends, sent into territories that were already saturated, and ultimately ended the summer owing Firstline money instead of making any. At any rate, feel free to comment, but do keep it free of personal attacks on others. I will delete those. To all:

I generally remove comments that are personal attacks on others. I am going to leave “someone’s” comment simply because it has had a response that would appear out of context without the original comment posted.

However, it’s worth remembering that while the Firstline outcome is horrible, it was inevitable and shouldn’t be pinned on people who worked there and believed in what they were doing. I’m sure Jake sold those accounts because he was a good salesman who believed what he’d been told, and also believed he was helping others in their success.

To me, this is the real ugly in luring students to sell systems unter the subterfuge of a reality show. It changes the filters everyone views their actions through, masking the pyramid under a pie in the sky.

Firstline’s business model was headed for failure because it presumed that many solid contracts would be sold, and that they would then resell those contracts to a third party, re-infusing the company with cash to begin recruiting anew. The pyramid collapsed when the contracts couldn’t be sold, and the ones who are paying are the customers and the students, particularly those who were recruited at this time last year, asked to recruit their friends, sent into territories that were already saturated, and ultimately ended the summer owing Firstline money instead of making any.

At any rate, feel free to comment, but do keep it free of personal attacks on others. I will delete those.

]]> By: bret hadily http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/comment-page-2/#comment-40915 bret hadily Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:24:49 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/#comment-40915 Jake was my manager in 2005, he is a great guy and taught me to sell with integrity, I think he is an amazing leader and whoever wrote that about him needs to call me! 801-243-7352. I respect him Jake was my manager in 2005, he is a great guy and taught me to sell with integrity, I think he is an amazing leader and whoever wrote that about him needs to call me! 801-243-7352.

I respect him

]]> By: PIMP http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-40914 PIMP Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:05:08 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/#comment-40914 Jake Dahl is right, SOMEONE is wrong! Jake can sell more people than anyone I have ever met! There ain't nothin' thats gonna hold him down. I hope APX gave him a big sign on bonus cuz Jake is worth every penny. Watch for Jake to be an APX TOP SELLER IN 2008! Jake Dahl is right, SOMEONE is wrong! Jake can sell more people than anyone I have ever met! There ain’t nothin’ thats gonna hold him down. I hope APX gave him a big sign on bonus cuz Jake is worth every penny. Watch for Jake to be an APX TOP SELLER IN 2008!

]]> By: Jake Dahl http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-40913 Jake Dahl Mon, 28 Jan 2008 01:36:15 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/#comment-40913 I am sad and feel bad for what was written about me today on this website. I am not perfect by anymeans and make alot of mistakes. But let me say this, out of the 202 accounts that where installed I have 9 open tickets and have personally paid over 2000.00 for customers that felt mislead. I currently have 192 good accounts the last time I looked. I was a very loyal employee and worked very hard to build Firstline. Infact I never once looked at other companies until all my reps where leaving me because of the rumors issues of the company. Thy day Apx came to my home with the sole purpose to bring me on I told them no way, I am to loyal and love the people I worked with. Later that day I had one of my best friends Tomio Huffman call me and tell me he had quit. It scared me that all the top guys in the company where not satisfied with things and alot where quiting the industry. This is what convinced me to leave to APX. whoever SOMEONE is that wrote the comment above. I am sorry you feel that way and hope you can forgive me for whatever I have done, but let me say this. I have my integrity and do my best to be moral in all I do. I switched out 40% of my accounts this year. FYI. Firstline was a great company with great leaders. Its very sad what happened. I would love to see anyone run a company that size. I also do not believe The owners meant or planned anything like this to ever happen. And personally I forgive them for any problems they made. I hurts that someone thinks I am shady and am the reason why Firstline went down and had so many issues. I love selling alarms, I love training people and hope to do it the rest of my career. To whoever reads this message- a negative attitude will never bring you success it only tears down. And if I have wronged you I am sorry! I am sad and feel bad for what was written about me today on this website. I am not perfect by anymeans and make alot of mistakes. But let me say this, out of the 202 accounts that where installed I have 9 open tickets and have personally paid over 2000.00 for customers that felt mislead. I currently have 192 good accounts the last time I looked.

I was a very loyal employee and worked very hard to build Firstline. Infact I never once looked at other companies until all my reps where leaving me because of the rumors issues of the company. Thy day Apx came to my home with the sole purpose to bring me on I told them no way, I am to loyal and love the people I worked with. Later that day I had one of my best friends Tomio Huffman call me and tell me he had quit. It scared me that all the top guys in the company where not satisfied with things and alot where quiting the industry. This is what convinced me to leave to APX.

whoever SOMEONE is that wrote the comment above. I am sorry you feel that way and hope you can forgive me for whatever I have done, but let me say this. I have my integrity and do my best to be moral in all I do. I switched out 40% of my accounts this year. FYI.

Firstline was a great company with great leaders. Its very sad what happened. I would love to see anyone run a company that size. I also do not believe The owners meant or planned anything like this to ever happen. And personally I forgive them for any problems they made.

I hurts that someone thinks I am shady and am the reason why Firstline went down and had so many issues. I love selling alarms, I love training people and hope to do it the rest of my career.

To whoever reads this message- a negative attitude will never bring you success it only tears down. And if I have wronged you I am sorry!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-40912 Anonymous Mon, 28 Jan 2008 00:33:19 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/#comment-40912 When and how will we get paid and why do owners end up with 14 million each? When and how will we get paid and why do owners end up with 14 million each?

]]> By: Someone http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-40911 Someone Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:54:41 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/#comment-40911 It is funny that Jake Dahl says there "is a lot of negative spin on the indusrty" because of him, and all the shady people under him, Firstline is in the mess that they are in. Jake Dahl brags about selling 200 accounts a year but in reality he is extremely dishonest in the way he does it. If your home is Protected with ADT, Jake works for ADT, if you are with ACME, Jake works for ACME etc. Because of Jake's "leadership" ADT filed a lawsuit against Firstline. Now of Jake's 200 accounts that he did about 40 are good. Nice job Jake!!! I remember a training I went to last year and all Jake talked about was respect. He kept saying "respect me I deserve your respect", really? ok? 40 Good accounts Jake that is what first year reps do. You are no better than first year reps and you have been doing this for 5 years. Thanks to dishonest people like Jake Dahl companies have to suffer. It talks about honesty if Firstlines mission statement but Jake cares more about $$$ than what is best for the company that pays him. Oh well. Watch out APX Jake Dahl is on your side. It is funny that Jake Dahl says there “is a lot of negative spin on the indusrty” because of him, and all the shady people under him, Firstline is in the mess that they are in. Jake Dahl brags about selling 200 accounts a year but in reality he is extremely dishonest in the way he does it. If your home is Protected with ADT, Jake works for ADT, if you are with ACME, Jake works for ACME etc. Because of Jake’s “leadership” ADT filed a lawsuit against Firstline. Now of Jake’s 200 accounts that he did about 40 are good. Nice job Jake!!! I remember a training I went to last year and all Jake talked about was respect. He kept saying “respect me I deserve your respect”, really? ok? 40 Good accounts Jake that is what first year reps do. You are no better than first year reps and you have been doing this for 5 years. Thanks to dishonest people like Jake Dahl companies have to suffer. It talks about honesty if Firstlines mission statement but Jake cares more about $$$ than what is best for the company that pays him. Oh well. Watch out APX Jake Dahl is on your side.

]]> By: Someone http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/comment-page-1/#comment-40910 Someone Sun, 27 Jan 2008 23:53:41 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2007/07/27/firstline-security-and-the-prodigy-the-unreal-lure-of-reality/#comment-40910 It is funny that Jake Dahl says there "is a lot of negative spin on the indusrty" because of him, and all the shady people under him, Firstline is in the mess that they are in. Jake Dahl brags about selling 200 accounts a year but in reality he is extremely dishonest in the way he does it. If your home is Protected with ADT, Jake works for ADT, if you are with ACME, Jake works for ACME etc. Because of Jake's "leadership" ADT filed a lawsuit against Firstline. Now of Jake's 200 accounts that he did about 40 are good. Nice job Jake!!! I remember a training I went to last year and all Jake talked about was respect. He kept saying "respect me I deserve your respect", really? ok? 40 Good accounts Jake that is what first year reps do. You are no better than first year reps and you have been doing this for 5 years. Thanks to dishonest people like Jake Dahl companies have to suffer. It talks about honesty if Firstlines mission statement but Jake cares more about $$$ than what is best for the company that pays him. Oh well. Wathch out APX Jake Dahl is on your side. It is funny that Jake Dahl says there “is a lot of negative spin on the indusrty” because of him, and all the shady people under him, Firstline is in the mess that they are in. Jake Dahl brags about selling 200 accounts a year but in reality he is extremely dishonest in the way he does it. If your home is Protected with ADT, Jake works for ADT, if you are with ACME, Jake works for ACME etc. Because of Jake’s “leadership” ADT filed a lawsuit against Firstline. Now of Jake’s 200 accounts that he did about 40 are good. Nice job Jake!!! I remember a training I went to last year and all Jake talked about was respect. He kept saying “respect me I deserve your respect”, really? ok? 40 Good accounts Jake that is what first year reps do. You are no better than first year reps and you have been doing this for 5 years. Thanks to dishonest people like Jake Dahl companies have to suffer. It talks about honesty if Firstlines mission statement but Jake cares more about $$$ than what is best for the company that pays him. Oh well. Wathch out APX Jake Dahl is on your side.

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