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Matthew Murray: Toxicity, Online Community, and Religion with a Twist

by Karoli on December 12, 2007

Matthew Murray was angry.  Matthew Murray had been angry for a long time.  On Sunday, Matthew Murray was so angry and so unbendably focused on exacting revenge that he packed up his guns and his ammo and let his anger fly in the direction of 2 Youth with a Mission staffers and two sisters, age 16 and 18, who were unfortunate enough to be in his sights at New Life Church.

His anger didn’t come on suddenly.  It smoldered over a very long time, and began to erupt into flame when he began participating in online forums at the Ex-Pentecostals.org message boards.  Some general observations about these boards:  The regular members seem to be pretty even-keeled, but definitely healing from a childhood of toxic religion in tightly-controlled family environments.  They are not shy about criticizing the groups they escaped from, but in general, they seem to be dealing with their individual pasts in a forgiving and mature way.  Matthew Murray, posting as “nghtmrchld26″, burst onto the boards on Christmas Eve, 2006, posting on a thread about “child abuse in Pentecostal families“.  According to CNN, his family is involved in ministry and has ties to New Life Church.

Murray was absolutely depressed and disturbed.  He wrote about it sporadically on the ex-Pentecostal “Azusa Street Survivors” forum, intensifying the frequency and voraciousness of his posts beginning in August and leading up to Sunday’s tragedies.  His spiralling mental health is well-documented in his posts and despite the best efforts of members to guide him to qualified therapists (with one even making a personal appeal to him), the spiral continued.  Today, those members are heartbroken that despite their best efforts, they could not reach him.  Here was a typical response from him:

I’ve already been working with counselors. I have a point to make with all this talk about psychologists and counselors “helping people with their pain”…….

it’s so funny how many people want to help you and love you and counsel you and “work with you through your pain” when there’s money involved……

One of the limitations and dangers of communities like this is that there will be that one person who is determined not to get help and is actually triggered by participation in discussions about their past experiences, bitterness, and even abuse.  Matthew was one of these.  Although he was angry at “the church”, he was most angry at YWAM for rejecting him in 2002.  Here are some of his remarks:

Well, ok, I haven’t met every single last christian on earth, but during my whole time with my parents church, YWAM Denver, Kings Kids, and the Mike Bickle/Peter Wagner/Charismatic type conferences, YES, those behaviors and attitudes were always observed and I was treated that way. I honestly cannot remember when I was not treated in those groups as one of the “horrible people”(as opposed to one of the “Beautiful People.”)

After I left/was kicked out(depending on the group,) I was somewhat openly considered an “official outcast,” someone not worth their time and “not of God” and “certainly not truly spiritual.” (Link)

Sounds like the same kind of crap that goes on in YWAM and went on in The Family…..
Unthinking youth and young adults who go in without asking questions and without bothering to question all the “feel good spiritual elitism” experiences. (Link)

The fact is, in YWAM, and christianity, it’s all about the Beautiful People. No, it’s not just “one group of bad christians” but rather….almost every group of christians except for a few open minded non-evangelical churches. (Link)

Jesus also never said that I had to follow and believe in people like Peter Wagner, Cindy Jacobs, Rod Parsely, Mike Bickle, Joyce Meyers, Ted Haggard, YWAM or any other so-called “annointed teacher” or “prophet” or self-proclaimed “holy spirit filled” group. (Link)

There are many more posts documenting his deteriorating mental state. I considered quoting them, but I’m going to just link to the search results and his final postings on December 9th if you want to read them. I’m concerned that reposting them, even small excerpts, might be triggers for others who land here as a result of a search.  By mid-summer, he was admitting to cutting himself and his poetry was growing darker, with one particularly dark post quoting Marilyn Manson lyrics on Halloween.

Without question, his posts were painting a picture of someone contemplating a dark and violent end, and I’m certain that the leadership of this forum had done everything they knew how to do to help him.  Still, even as he felt free to express himself in the safety of online interaction, the members were limited by the barriers erected by that same free space.  Some members, trying to be kind and engage him, complimented him on his poetry, which encouraged him to write much more, and the more he wrote, the darker it became.

This isn’t the first time I’ve seen situations like this online, but it is the first time that I’ve seen it come to this kind of an end.  I hope it’s the last, but I am getting concerned about the possibility that participating (and venting) in a venue like the one Matthew used actually inadvertently contributed and gave him the outlet he needed to NOT seek help.  There is a chilling thread on 12/1/07 entitled “Considering Suicide?” where he writes about the six steps one should take if they actually call a suicide helpline to avoid being personally contacted by a Suicide Hotline worker.  It’s unclear to me whether the thread starter is addressing those hotlines manned by church workers, but here is Murray’s advice:

A word of advice if you do call and want to talk to someone……remember some things:

1. You do not have a plan. You do not actually intend to kill yourself. Admit to no more than suicidal thoughts.
2. You do not have the means to kill yourself available
3. You have never attempted suicide before. Nobody in your family has either.
4. You don’t have any recent life stressors
5. You don’t use alcohol/drugs
6. You are under the treatment of a mental health professional who you are seeing weekly.

Remember that they are able to get pass Caller ID blocking and WILL call local mental health authorities.

The responses are what concerned me.  While one person steps up and disagrees with him, other members are handing out applause. 

What a formula.  Rejected by YWAM and still bitter five years later, and as that bitterness is expressed in a ’safe’, anonymous online environment, acceptance comes.  Compliments come.  He is one of the ‘beautiful people’ at last. 

He seems horribly damaged by the religious zealotry of his youth, and his rejection by YWAM also seems devastating.  There’s value in escaping that and finding a safe place to start a healing process.  But what happens when the ‘healing’ becomes a trigger?  And what, if anything, could the moderators or managers at the ex-Pentecostal forums do?  Upon hearing the news of the shootings, they knew almost immediately that one of their own had likely been responsible.  Could they have done anything else, preventatively?  I don’t know.

They were in a no-win situation.  He wasn’t breaking the rules, and despite the encouragement, he was also receiving gentle suggestions to seek help, which he was rejecting.  One possibility is to change the forum rules just a bit so that in situations where a member is clearly posting ongoing negative triggers, they are forced into a time-out.  The problem with that, though, is that in Murray’s case, it would have felt like another rejection, similar to the one he received so painfully in the past. 

My heart goes out to the parents of the sisters who died at the church and the families of the two staff members at YWAM.  I know a little bit about the unspeakable pain that comes with such a random and inexplicable tragedy.  I hope that we, as online denizens, can find a way to prevent another one from happening by learning ways to intervene before the end of the spiral.

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  • bastard
    you're a stupid fuck, you insult him by this posting, but alas, at least someone still takes time to remember him, somehow.
  • Liz Ditz here, I haven't signed into your new commenting software.

    Karoli, just to make your blood pressure rise

    Carpetbagger Report covers the religious right's response to this tragedy. As you might expect, it is the liberal's fault.

    Religious Right Exploits Tragedy for Political Gain

    "Yesterday, the Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins blamed the “secular media” for Matthew Murray’s shooting rampage in Colorado"

    and, quoting Gary Bauer:

    "Second, despite his upbringing, he was clearly motivated by an intense hatred for Christians, just as the Virginia Tech murderer was. In his last online message, Murray reportedly wrote, “You Christians brought this on yourselves. All I want to do is kill and injure as many of you as I can especially Christians who are to blame for most of the problems in the world.” It is worth noting that this hatred of Christians is constantly promoted by the radical Left - on their websites and in their books, articles etc."

    Gah. That's me gagging up here.
  • Hi Liz,

    No worries, you don't have to sign in to comment. It just remembers you if you sign in. :)

    As for my blood pressure, if I keep seeing articles like this they're going to have to put me on meds. Seriously.

    What bothers me the most about this (and Tony Perkins is one of the current worst, BTW) is the complete knee-jerk response with an absence of thought, consideration, or basic research. And yes, it also bothers me that it's entirely political. If the fundamentals were to take a biblical approach on this, they'd be absolutely apolitical. After all, Jesus said "do as the Romans do", not "become a Roman".

    These guys use Christianity to garner power for themselves. It is not a question of evangelism, or altruism. It's all about forcing others to their point of view. And it drives me nuts.
  • I do think there's something here....But what could anyone do?
  • Liz,

    In 2002, he was 19. This is the problem with our mental health/medical system, because once they're 18, no one can DO anything beyond suggest that one seek help. His posts on the forums indicate that he was in some kind of therapy (I don't know what, specifically), but as time goes on, his anger turns on the therapists too.

    He is exactly the type of person who should have been placed on a 72-hour hold, except that no one had standing to go forward and force it. Possibly his parents, but it sounds like they are pretty toxic in their own right.

    I'm not sure what the whole YWAM story was. I've had some personal experience with them that runs counter to what I've read on the ex-Pentecostal forum and Murray's own experience.

    Here's the other thing no one knows at this point -- were drugs involved? His rapid deterioration suggests that it's a possibility.
  • This whole story is nothing but tragic. He was clearly mentally ill five years ago, but was not directed toward treatment, just turned away from his community.

    I do not know the theology of these two groups, but they may not accept mental illness, viewing these behaviors as "possession" or the like.

    Via Box Turtle Bulletin

    CNN:

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/shooter.youth/...


    Matthew Murray was kicked out of a missionary training program five years ago for strange behavior, and talked about hearing voices, according to a man who served at the center with him.
    [snip]
    Richard Werner, 34, said Monday he was a worker at the center in Arvada, Colorado, in 2002, the same time as Murray.

    He said Murray was told in December 2002 he would not be allowed to join a mission trip to Bosnia. That was five days after Murray performed a pair of dark rock songs at a concert at the mission that made fellow workers "pretty scared," according to Werner.

    The performance -- which included a song by rock band Linkin Park and another that had been recorded by controversial rocker Marilyn Manson -- followed months of strange behavior, Werner said.

    Werner, of Balneario Camborius, Brazil, said he had a bunk near Murray's and that Murray would roll around in bed and make noises.

    "He would say, 'Don't worry, I'm just talking to the voices,' " Werner said. "He'd say, 'Don't worry, Richard. You're a nice guy. The voices like you.' "
  • Michael J
    Great research, I can tell you put some major time into this thanks.
  • Thank you, Michael!
  • Karoli, thnaks so much for this thoughtful post. I thought your observations would be useful to journalists, so I included excerpts from your post and linked to it today on Poynter's E-Media Tidbits:

    http://poynter.org/column.asp?id=31&aid=134357

    - Amy Gahran
  • Amy,

    Thank you! It's one of those problems that seems to have no solution. I was glad to see you point out that journalists should be really careful about how they portray that community -- they really are very careful to try and keep things positive and moving forward.
  • The Skinny on Matthew Murray and the Church Shootings in Colorado.

    As to Matthew Murray’s murders at the Youth with a Mission and at the church, the notion that the son of a powerful and very devout Christian physician, who was home taught in born again religious fashion and has nothing but a traffic ticket to indicate any prior rebelliousness at his relatively old age of 24, raises great suspicions. The more likely possibility is that Matthew Murray was primed by his parents and/or other religious controllers to be a martyr for the born-again Christians, his mayhem in Colorado Springs and Arvada now being a “burning of the Reichstag” justification for fundamentalist conservatives to crank up to a considerably higher level of repression and control in the United States...

    To read more on this, go to www.matrix-evolutions.com

    Recommend this site to your friends.
  • Peter --

    I don't think so. It serves no purpose for him to be a martyr, especially when he made it abundantly clear that he did not align himself with his parents', YWAM, or New Life church. He was a person who was depressed, angry and bitter over a long-ago rejection, that's all.
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