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		<title>By: ursulas</title>
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		<dc:creator>ursulas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s to the outcome! It will work out! I believe he has a great mom. Just remember to be good to yourself in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s to the outcome! It will work out! I believe he has a great mom. Just remember to be good to yourself in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: strictly (strictlyanything)</title>
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		<dc:creator>strictly (strictlyanything)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gutsy gutsy gutsy http://bit.ly/EWWk well done &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://twitter.com/karoli&quot;&gt;@karoli&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gutsy gutsy gutsy <a href="http://bit.ly/EWWk" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/EWWk</a> well done <a rel="nofollow" href="http://twitter.com/karoli">@karoli</a></p>
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		<title>By: ursulas</title>
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		<dc:creator>ursulas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s to the outcome! It will work out! I believe he has a great mom. Just remember to be good to yourself in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#39;s to the outcome! It will work out! I believe he has a great mom. Just remember to be good to yourself in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: editormom</title>
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		<dc:creator>editormom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karoli, you are a brave mother. I hope that your son has learned bravery from you. Hugs to both of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karoli, you are a brave mother. I hope that your son has learned bravery from you. Hugs to both of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for sharing your story and your poem. It inspires more than you possibly know. :) Today is a new day, let&#039;s hope and pray he sees it so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for sharing your story and your poem. It inspires more than you possibly know. <img src='http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Today is a new day, let&#39;s hope and pray he sees it so.</p>
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		<title>By: WebPixie</title>
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		<dc:creator>WebPixie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 13:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most VA&#039;s are HUNDREDS of miles away.  My comment was certainly not intended to suggest the VA as any kind of medical resource for someone in &quot;victim mode,&quot; as you describe it.  That&#039;s not how it works.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The typical distance of most VA resources from the Vet is why having their telephone number was the suggestion.  The suggestion is really intended more as a resource for his girlfriend, if he chooses to live with her after the end of the month.  It&#039;s not for the VA to provide &quot;treatment.&quot;  Vets like to do what they can for other Vets, so the VA usually can cooridinate spouse&#039;s, girlfriends&#039;s, or boyfriend&#039;s of Vet to those other Vets.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As I said, it&#039;s very subtle and a person almost has to be a Vet to understand how it all works, which I am not.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From the actions described in your blog post, what you DID certainly IS the right thing.  The rest is up to him and him alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most VA&#39;s are HUNDREDS of miles away.  My comment was certainly not intended to suggest the VA as any kind of medical resource for someone in &#8220;victim mode,&#8221; as you describe it.  That&#39;s not how it works.</p>
<p>The typical distance of most VA resources from the Vet is why having their telephone number was the suggestion.  The suggestion is really intended more as a resource for his girlfriend, if he chooses to live with her after the end of the month.  It&#39;s not for the VA to provide &#8220;treatment.&#8221;  Vets like to do what they can for other Vets, so the VA usually can cooridinate spouse&#39;s, girlfriends&#39;s, or boyfriend&#39;s of Vet to those other Vets.</p>
<p>As I said, it&#39;s very subtle and a person almost has to be a Vet to understand how it all works, which I am not.</p>
<p>From the actions described in your blog post, what you DID certainly IS the right thing.  The rest is up to him and him alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorian aka coffeesister &#124;_&#124;)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dorian aka coffeesister &#124;_&#124;)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take it from someone who was a teenage alcoholic, we continue because we can &amp; never question that we can while we are; alcoholism mixed w/the audacity of youth creates an even stronger sense of being indestructible (not to mention uniquely justified). Even if you could help him stop, no matter how long it lasted, it would NOT be &lt;strong&gt;lasting&lt;/strong&gt; for true change is impossible til sought by the one changing. Right you are that consequences are key -- for me, it was not graduating that slowed me down long enough to disprove the need to drink (as much) to function. By the grace of God, that then led to my one &amp; only bad (to me) experience w/drinking which opened the door to doubt -- &lt;em&gt;just&lt;/em&gt; enough to accept a challenge much like the one you&#039;re now giving your son.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I desperately love the line, &quot;pain is the only pathway to a life of constructive living instead of the self-destructive bent you’ve been on.&quot; One of the bonuses but difficulties of being the kind of mom you (&amp; mine) are is that ability to see your children as we could be, not necessarily as we are. You&#039;ve seen the proof on my blog that my mom &amp; I have been restored to each other; she&#039;s also the reason I wasn&#039;t even more self-destructive. Trust me, you&#039;ve already made a difference. However, he&#039;s the only one that can fertilize the seed you&#039;ve planted &amp; fed. My mum &amp; I &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;do&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; celebrate my recovery as another birthday -- I began my new life 11 August 1986 &amp; was damn excited the year, not too long ago, that I&#039;d lived as long since as before.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s a poem I wrote on my 22nd REbirthday: &lt;a title=&quot;Drink Deeply [of me])&quot; href=&quot;http://coffeesister.com/2008/08/11/rebirth/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rebirth&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;strong&gt;(&#124;_&#124;*to new beginnings*&#124;_&#124;)&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Act as if what you do makes a difference. It does.&quot; ~ William James&lt;br&gt;PS: I&#039;m not only Momma&#039;s eldest but it was &#039;her &amp; I against the world&#039; at the beginning. Take heart. Consider yourself hugged..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take it from someone who was a teenage alcoholic, we continue because we can &#038; never question that we can while we are; alcoholism mixed w/the audacity of youth creates an even stronger sense of being indestructible (not to mention uniquely justified). Even if you could help him stop, no matter how long it lasted, it would NOT be <strong>lasting</strong> for true change is impossible til sought by the one changing. Right you are that consequences are key &#8212; for me, it was not graduating that slowed me down long enough to disprove the need to drink (as much) to function. By the grace of God, that then led to my one &#038; only bad (to me) experience w/drinking which opened the door to doubt &#8212; <em>just</em> enough to accept a challenge much like the one you&#39;re now giving your son.</p>
<p>I desperately love the line, &#8220;pain is the only pathway to a life of constructive living instead of the self-destructive bent you’ve been on.&#8221; One of the bonuses but difficulties of being the kind of mom you (&#038; mine) are is that ability to see your children as we could be, not necessarily as we are. You&#39;ve seen the proof on my blog that my mom &#038; I have been restored to each other; she&#39;s also the reason I wasn&#39;t even more self-destructive. Trust me, you&#39;ve already made a difference. However, he&#39;s the only one that can fertilize the seed you&#39;ve planted &#038; fed. My mum &#038; I <em><strong>do</strong></em> celebrate my recovery as another birthday &#8212; I began my new life 11 August 1986 &#038; was damn excited the year, not too long ago, that I&#39;d lived as long since as before.</p>
<p>Here&#39;s a poem I wrote on my 22nd REbirthday: <a title="Drink Deeply [of me])" href="http://coffeesister.com/2008/08/11/rebirth/" rel="nofollow">Rebirth</a></p>
<p><strong>(|_|*to new beginnings*|_|)</strong><br />&#8220;Act as if what you do makes a difference. It does.&#8221; ~ William James<br />PS: I&#39;m not only Momma&#39;s eldest but it was &#39;her &#038; I against the world&#39; at the beginning. Take heart. Consider yourself hugged..</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 06:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WebPixie, thank you for those thoughts. They&#039;re very helpful.  Our &#039;local&#039; VA is many miles from here, but I have also suggested it as a resource, along with AA. He wlll now have to make his decision. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What I hope: That he doesn&#039;t sink into &#039;victim mode&#039; but hears what I said with the spirit it was intended. We&#039;ll see...all of the support from you guys has been a huge encouragement to me. I know I did the right thing. It was hard, but it was right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WebPixie, thank you for those thoughts. They&#39;re very helpful.  Our &#39;local&#39; VA is many miles from here, but I have also suggested it as a resource, along with AA. He wlll now have to make his decision. </p>
<p>What I hope: That he doesn&#39;t sink into &#39;victim mode&#39; but hears what I said with the spirit it was intended. We&#39;ll see&#8230;all of the support from you guys has been a huge encouragement to me. I know I did the right thing. It was hard, but it was right.</p>
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		<title>By: ursulas</title>
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		<dc:creator>ursulas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lump in my throat.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Karoli, I cannot think of the right words right now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So, I continue to keep you and your family in my thoughts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;{{{{HUGE HUG}}}}</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lump in my throat.</p>
<p>Karoli, I cannot think of the right words right now.</p>
<p>So, I continue to keep you and your family in my thoughts.</p>
<p>{{{{HUGE HUG}}}}</p>
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		<title>By: WebPixie</title>
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		<dc:creator>WebPixie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karoli, I regret not seeing this post until now.  What a day you must&#039;ve had!  I realize it&#039;s no consolation to hear that your experience this morning has been shared by almost every family or friend in this nation (if not the world).  I realize that I will probably never understand why it happens.  All I know is that it does and that, probably, trying to understand why is really no help to the innocent family member (you) or the person playing the role of victim (your eldest).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m not so sure that you&#039;re being fair to yourself to say that you made a choice to look the other way.  Sometimes trained, objective professionals can be fooled.  How could someone with the emotional ties a mother has be expected to be so detached as to make a deliberate choice to overlook what only becomes obvious on a January morning in 2009!  You can&#039;t.  Instead, you&#039;ve given him ALL the tools to work through this if HE makes that choice, which he will.  The only question is when.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s great that he has a loving girlfriend ...maybe.  I hope she has the number for the local VA.  If there&#039;s one area where the VA has a long history of knowledge and experience, it&#039;s understanding the complexities of a former soldier&#039;s relationship with alcohol and how it affects their loved ones.  While the VA may not be adequately funded to have enough staff to meet this mission for every Vet, there are many organizations of Veterans who volunteer to fill the gap.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Richard and I have both seen how they work their magic.  It&#039;s subtle, very subtle, and all it takes is a phone call - but let her make the call if he doesn&#039;t.  You&#039;ve already laid a solid foundation for him.  His fellow Vets can help him build the floor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karoli, I regret not seeing this post until now.  What a day you must&#39;ve had!  I realize it&#39;s no consolation to hear that your experience this morning has been shared by almost every family or friend in this nation (if not the world).  I realize that I will probably never understand why it happens.  All I know is that it does and that, probably, trying to understand why is really no help to the innocent family member (you) or the person playing the role of victim (your eldest).</p>
<p>I&#39;m not so sure that you&#39;re being fair to yourself to say that you made a choice to look the other way.  Sometimes trained, objective professionals can be fooled.  How could someone with the emotional ties a mother has be expected to be so detached as to make a deliberate choice to overlook what only becomes obvious on a January morning in 2009!  You can&#39;t.  Instead, you&#39;ve given him ALL the tools to work through this if HE makes that choice, which he will.  The only question is when.</p>
<p>It&#39;s great that he has a loving girlfriend &#8230;maybe.  I hope she has the number for the local VA.  If there&#39;s one area where the VA has a long history of knowledge and experience, it&#39;s understanding the complexities of a former soldier&#39;s relationship with alcohol and how it affects their loved ones.  While the VA may not be adequately funded to have enough staff to meet this mission for every Vet, there are many organizations of Veterans who volunteer to fill the gap.</p>
<p>Richard and I have both seen how they work their magic.  It&#39;s subtle, very subtle, and all it takes is a phone call &#8211; but let her make the call if he doesn&#39;t.  You&#39;ve already laid a solid foundation for him.  His fellow Vets can help him build the floor.</p>
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