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To Leo Laporte’s fans and Techcrunch trolls – Thanks a helluva lot

by Karoli on June 8, 2009

I know who you are. You know who you are. You’re the ones that can’t resist a conflict. Especially a conflict involving high-profile so-called A-list tech bloggers who occasionally let their passion and their own egos spill over onto other people’s turf. I know, because I’ve read your comments, watched you go off half-cocked without all the facts, and seen you intentionally cause hurt to people who don’t deserve it.

Yesterday’s Gillmor Gang is a perfect example of that. One thing led to another, Leo Laporte loses his temper, the IRC chat is shut down and suddenly the Friendfeed chat is not only loaded with vitriol (a big word, look it up) aimed at Mike Arrington, but when that target wasn’t enough, you turned and aimed it at Steve Gillmor.

End result? Well, despite the rather civil rebuilding of bridges between Mike and Leo, Steve Gillmor was left trying to figure out how HIS show got hijacked without his consent.

The result of that was that a YEAR of Newsgang Live podcasts are now gone along with the Gillmor Gang podcasts for the past year.(Update: iTunes has the Gillmor Gang Podcasts)

That year of podcasts? They’re Steve’s shows. They’re his content. He owns them. But they represent OUR time, our collective thoughts, our discussions, and our phone bills, among other things. He owns them, but we were the contributors. All of us: Steve, Tina, Michael Markman, Warner Crocker, Francine Hardaway, Rob LaGesse, Debi Jones, Aron Michalski, me, Bruce Lerner, Christian Burns, WebPixie, and others who drifted in and back out of the discussions over time.

There was heart in those discussions. There was heat. And there was light. Not just about the politics of electing a black guy, but the politics of tech, where Twitter was going, and one really special podcast with David Sanborn after the final debate with John McCain.

Those discussions represented some of the best moments I’ve spent on the internet. We had a small, but vocal community. We all remain friends. I am leaving in a few hours to spend a week with Francine. I would never have known her if it weren’t for that show, for the common connection with everyone associated with the show.

And all it took were enough trolls dumping on Steve. I don’t blame him for pulling his content off Techcrunch. I’d have done it too. But it was completely avoidable.

The mob mentality on the internet comes with a price, whether it’s Kathy Sierra opting out of blogging, Michael Arrington going dark, or Steve Gillmor pulling all of his podcasts down. There is really no excuse for assuming that because you can say something, you should.

Next time, try stepping back before saying you wish someone died of cancer, or they only exist to cause trouble, or they’re a douchebag with a double dose of ego, because you don’t know who you might hit with your ill-aimed and venomous poison.

This time you hit me. Hard. Being deleted isn’t something I handle very well. I make it a point to think enough before hitting ’send’ to keep it civil. Too bad you didn’t do the same.

To Steve and Tina Gillmor – I hope those archives find a home somewhere. They’re not on archive.org. They’re nowhere that I can see. Twitter archives are gone too. I know you control it, but remember our contribution. There was value in those hours we spent. There IS value in those hours we spent.

To Michael Arrington – You didn’t deserve what you got. For the record, we’ve tangled, but no one deserves what you got. What annoys me the most is that no one really gave you credit for the class you showed in the second Gillmor Gang, where you took all responsibility for what happened and held out a hand to Leo, which he also shook. Unfortunately, people seem addicted to 90-second dramas instead of the longer resolution. I just want you to know that it shouldn’t have gone that way.

To Leo’s fans – Take a damn chill pill and follow the example of the guy you claim to love so much. If you had, this whole thing would be over.

If you had, I wouldn’t be sitting here in tears over a bunch of lost hours. Damn you.

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  • Jack
    It shold be noted that the itunes feed: http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/... is unofficial. It contains recordings of the show from the live stream.
  • Paul E. Ester
    Some podcasts don't get better with age. Much like there is no point in reading todays 'real time web' a year from now.
  • I beg to differ. A year from now, things will be completely different than they are today. But that podcast was made in and about the emerging days of the real time web. It will matter.
  • I think it's wrong to blame the fans for a reaction to a public cast. Mike was very much wrong and initiated the problem.

    Mike wouldn't have people saying dumb things if he wasn't a popular figure that does what he does. He choose that. You're never going to get rid of the dumb people that say dumb things when Mike is a dick, without considering the issues.

    As far as Steve, I heard Steve laughing. I don't know him well enough to say what is what. Personally, it kinda looked like he thought it was all joke, then stopped when it got serious. But I can maybe see how some might think he was siding with Mike somehow. Steve brought up the question, then Mike jumped in. I don't think so, but I can see how some conspiracy theorists would suggest it was a planned "attack" on Leo for lack of a better work. I don't think that, but I can see how others would.

    Just the same, nobody told him to go on a streaming show including popular figures with fans and starting laughing. Nobody told Mike to bait Leo or suggest he was unethical. If Mike and/or Steve wanted to bring up a Palm Pre marketing theory (discussed idea previously?), Mike didn't need to attack Leo or suggest he only got it cause he would kiss butt. There's other ways to talk about Palm's marketing. Did Mike and Steve really not know before hand Leo had the Pre? Sounded to me like one of those dumb late night pre-questions that get asked. Was this all discussed to talk about after the memorial of the Google guy? Give me a break. They totally come off butt hurt over their egos and directed it at Leo.

    If the content was for you and your group then why publish it to the public? If you don't like that he pulled content down, blame Steve? or blame Mike? Don't blame the fans for reacting to watching something Steve decided to put there. Blame Steve or Mike.

    You're sounding somewhat self-serving with this post.
  • Of course I'm self-serving. This is my blog, and it was my time invested in that podcast. I'm not going to apologize for being self-serving. This is my expression of my sadness at seeing something I participated in taken out of the public access stream. I'm not going to apologize for being self-serving.

    As far as it being unfair to fans, all I have to say is that there are ways to express support that don't intentionally take whacks at people who put a lot of themselves out there. In fact, there are adult ways for people to express themselves. That they chose to behave like adolescents is their problem, not mine.

    And this is my blog. I get to be self-serving here. Without apology.
  • If you value the content, always make a back-up, even if you think the archive is in good hands.
  • Hi Stephen,

    I have backup copies, but I can't keep them on the Internet or point to them. They're Steve's shows. As I said, he has the right to do with them what he feels is right, but that doesn't make me any less angry about the reasons he felt he had to do it.
  • Karoli, thanks for writing this. Calling out bad behavior and establishing a civil and constructive tone in the social space of real time web is one of our new rights and responsibilities.
  • Cliff -- it has always been a right and responsibility. It just matters more now than before, because the nature of real time means that setting a fire can cause an instant meltdown, as opposed to one that might be prevented with some interventions.
  • Are you kidding? You're dreaming. That is never going to happen without severe moderation. It won't be "open." The first few minutes of the Wolfram Alpha webcast launch, the chat was filled with non-sense even before it began.

    Need to first recognize that social real time web space is going to be anything but civil and deal with it. It's going to get worse in real time than it is on twitter. Google wave is said to show keystroke. You're not going to necessarily have people being able to edit that much in real-time.

    And it's interesting to call out less than civil behavior by fans and respondents when the podcasters in question are dropping f-bombs and arbitrarily cutting off shows. Or others are continuing to bait people to get a good story or "interesting" reaction.
  • I'm not going to fault Leo for going off. That has been brewing for months, while for 30 years he has set an example of class and ethics in action and practice. One meltdown should not invite the adolescents to a feast.
  • greg
    It is a shame the way it all happened and totally unnecessary. I am a Leo fan but the way he overacted and was quick to do so was wrong. I believe that he has had bad feelings about Mike for a while as he has made comments about him previously which would lead you to believe that if the right moment came along the explosion would happen. A damn shame. I have subscribed to the Newsgang and Gillmore podcasts and even though they could be tough to get through because of the conflict within them but there were some good insight and information in them. I hope that Steve and Mike will come back with all their passion. Hope to hear from you all again. Take care/
  • greg, steve will be back. the Gillmor Gang will always live. Whether Newsgang Live does or not remains to be seen. But the Gillmor Gang is timeless.
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