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		<title>By: Osborne Ink &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On Fog of War and False Flags</title>
		<link>http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/04/finger-biting-incident-update/comment-page-1/#comment-54462</link>
		<dc:creator>Osborne Ink &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On Fog of War and False Flags</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Sep 2011 15:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] identifying the initial aggressor during an altercation outside a town hall &#8212; despite having a camera in her hands at the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: United Dental Insurance</title>
		<link>http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/04/finger-biting-incident-update/comment-page-1/#comment-53427</link>
		<dc:creator>United Dental Insurance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 09:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo, Bros! keep going like this, more good info again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Bros! keep going like this, more good info again.</p>
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		<title>By: retreat from violence is legal</title>
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		<dc:creator>retreat from violence is legal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The finger biter has a perfectly good reason for having left the scene.  He was retreating from a known violent individual in order to avoid this violent individual again resorting to violence.  The principle of retreat is deep in the history of laws of self-defense.  He should get a lawyer and have the lawyer speak with the police under condition of anonymity.  If the police are satisfied with the answers that there was no crime, there would be no compelling reason for the police to identify him by name as there would no longer be any crime to investigate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The finger biter has a perfectly good reason for having left the scene.  He was retreating from a known violent individual in order to avoid this violent individual again resorting to violence.  The principle of retreat is deep in the history of laws of self-defense.  He should get a lawyer and have the lawyer speak with the police under condition of anonymity.  If the police are satisfied with the answers that there was no crime, there would be no compelling reason for the police to identify him by name as there would no longer be any crime to investigate.</p>
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		<title>By: retreat from violence is legal</title>
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		<dc:creator>retreat from violence is legal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The finger biter has a perfectly good reason for having left the scene.  He was retreating from a known violent individual in order to avoid this violent individual again resorting to violence.  The principle of retreat is deep in the history of laws of self-defense.  He should get a lawyer and have the lawyer speak with the police under condition of anonymity.  If the police are satisfied with the answers that there was no crime, there would be no compelling reason for the police to identify him by name as there would no longer be any crime to investigate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The finger biter has a perfectly good reason for having left the scene.  He was retreating from a known violent individual in order to avoid this violent individual again resorting to violence.  The principle of retreat is deep in the history of laws of self-defense.  He should get a lawyer and have the lawyer speak with the police under condition of anonymity.  If the police are satisfied with the answers that there was no crime, there would be no compelling reason for the police to identify him by name as there would no longer be any crime to investigate.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
		<link>http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/04/finger-biting-incident-update/comment-page-1/#comment-50653</link>
		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 00:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are only partially right. The other side of the Social Security claim is how many fingers are now in the pie. When it was crafted it was never meant to be disability insurance. The number of &quot;benefits&quot; added to program doomed it even before those idiots cracked the seal on the locked box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are only partially right. The other side of the Social Security claim is how many fingers are now in the pie. When it was crafted it was never meant to be disability insurance. The number of &#8220;benefits&#8221; added to program doomed it even before those idiots cracked the seal on the locked box.</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 00:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, pissed off only begins to describe it. I even told the detective I had promised to give them to a couple of people (no, I wasn&#039;t selling them, I was GIVING), and so they did a complete end run around me. Nice guys. Makes me glad to be a citizen of this fine county.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, pissed off only begins to describe it. I even told the detective I had promised to give them to a couple of people (no, I wasn&#39;t selling them, I was GIVING), and so they did a complete end run around me. Nice guys. Makes me glad to be a citizen of this fine county.</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 00:09:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without writing a treatise on Social Security and Medicare funding, I&#039;ll just say this much: both trust funds were breached in order to make the budget look balanced, and now both trust funds are used to make the case that reforms cannot occur.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fact is, we should just move to single payer so that all Americans receive basic benefits inside of an already-established infrastructure. Insurance companies sell supplemental coverage, dental, vision, whatever else on whatever basis they want to, and everyone smiles. Given that we&#039;re stuck with fixing this godforsaken crazy system that we&#039;ve got right now, I&#039;d be open to any solution to the price issue. For perspective, we&#039;re low utilizers who pay 21K/yr for a family of 4. That&#039;s not scalable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without writing a treatise on Social Security and Medicare funding, I&#39;ll just say this much: both trust funds were breached in order to make the budget look balanced, and now both trust funds are used to make the case that reforms cannot occur.</p>
<p>Fact is, we should just move to single payer so that all Americans receive basic benefits inside of an already-established infrastructure. Insurance companies sell supplemental coverage, dental, vision, whatever else on whatever basis they want to, and everyone smiles. Given that we&#39;re stuck with fixing this godforsaken crazy system that we&#39;ve got right now, I&#39;d be open to any solution to the price issue. For perspective, we&#39;re low utilizers who pay 21K/yr for a family of 4. That&#39;s not scalable.</p>
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		<title>By: Karoli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 00:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You and Connie have a point from a legal standpoint. For me, I guess it&#039;s more of a citizen thing. Hard for me to know if I&#039;d surrender. I can&#039;t imagine being in that position at all. Still boggles my mind that it came to blows and bites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and Connie have a point from a legal standpoint. For me, I guess it&#39;s more of a citizen thing. Hard for me to know if I&#39;d surrender. I can&#39;t imagine being in that position at all. Still boggles my mind that it came to blows and bites.</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then don&#039;t give your pictures to the police. It is their job to collect evidence, not credit and act as photographer&#039;s agent. Once your pictures become part of the case file, they become part of the public record and anyone can use them.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s another piece of trivia for you. The pictures were credited. Her name would have been listed in the report as the person that took and turned over the photos. Blame the media that didn&#039;t credit you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then don&#39;t give your pictures to the police. It is their job to collect evidence, not credit and act as photographer&#39;s agent. Once your pictures become part of the case file, they become part of the public record and anyone can use them.  </p>
<p>Here&#39;s another piece of trivia for you. The pictures were credited. Her name would have been listed in the report as the person that took and turned over the photos. Blame the media that didn&#39;t credit you.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Himel-Nelson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie Himel-Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 22:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally understand how your recollection of who hit could be wrong.  In law school and while working on a psych degree I read so much about the fallibility of eye witness testimony, but it&#039;s hard to understand it until you&#039;re an eye witness.  It just so happens that a few weeks ago my house was broken into, I saw the robbers and later looked at a photo line up.  They caught the guys.  They had them dead to rights, they just wanted another ID from me.  I got it totally wrong.&lt;br&gt;So I get it, Karoli, I totally get it.  And you&#039;re so right that most people care more about their own agendas than the truth.&lt;br&gt;One last thing - as a fellow shutterbug, the police releasing those photos would SO PISS ME OFF!  Would it have killed them to attribute the photos to you?  Geesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally understand how your recollection of who hit could be wrong.  In law school and while working on a psych degree I read so much about the fallibility of eye witness testimony, but it&#39;s hard to understand it until you&#39;re an eye witness.  It just so happens that a few weeks ago my house was broken into, I saw the robbers and later looked at a photo line up.  They caught the guys.  They had them dead to rights, they just wanted another ID from me.  I got it totally wrong.<br />So I get it, Karoli, I totally get it.  And you&#39;re so right that most people care more about their own agendas than the truth.<br />One last thing &#8211; as a fellow shutterbug, the police releasing those photos would SO PISS ME OFF!  Would it have killed them to attribute the photos to you?  Geesh.</p>
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