Comments on: Free speech: One poke over the line? http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/ ...politics, pictures, pugs and all that jazz Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-51851 Karoli Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:50:28 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/#comment-51851 Hi Ashleigh,<br><br>It's my hope that shining light on this stuff will sterilize it. But it will take all of us to lead that charge, because there's a ton of it out there. :( Hi Ashleigh,

It's my hope that shining light on this stuff will sterilize it. But it will take all of us to lead that charge, because there's a ton of it out there. :(

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-50875 Karoli Sun, 11 Oct 2009 06:50:28 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/#comment-50875 Hi Ashleigh,<br><br>It's my hope that shining light on this stuff will sterilize it. But it will take all of us to lead that charge, because there's a ton of it out there. :( Hi Ashleigh,

It's my hope that shining light on this stuff will sterilize it. But it will take all of us to lead that charge, because there's a ton of it out there. :(

]]> By: ashleighburroughs http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-50870 ashleighburroughs Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:29:47 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/#comment-50870 "All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing". By publicizing this distastefulness you allow others to join you in making a great noise and then Newsmax reacts and the column is gone.<br><br>Thank you (and Blogher for linking me to you) “All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing”. By publicizing this distastefulness you allow others to join you in making a great noise and then Newsmax reacts and the column is gone.

Thank you (and Blogher for linking me to you)

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-50857 Karoli Sat, 10 Oct 2009 02:08:57 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/#comment-50857 Somehow my reply to you got lost in transit on this one. The 400% is not from an anonymous source. Here's the link to it: <a href="http://bit.ly/WnvSC" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/WnvSC</a><br><br>It was written by Ronald Kessler. Not nameless, faceless, or otherwise anonymous. Somehow my reply to you got lost in transit on this one. The 400% is not from an anonymous source. Here's the link to it: http://bit.ly/WnvSC

It was written by Ronald Kessler. Not nameless, faceless, or otherwise anonymous.

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-50813 Karoli Wed, 30 Sep 2009 22:15:26 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/#comment-50813 Marie, I linked the cached version in the last update. They did indeed <br>pull it. The McCain moment you're thinking of was the town hall he <br>held before the election where the woman said she was 'afraid of Obama <br>because he was a Muslim'. McCain told her he wasn't, but it was not <br>nearly forceful enough. Marie, I linked the cached version in the last update. They did indeed
pull it. The McCain moment you're thinking of was the town hall he
held before the election where the woman said she was 'afraid of Obama
because he was a Muslim'. McCain told her he wasn't, but it was not
nearly forceful enough.

]]> By: Marie_Carnes http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-50812 Marie_Carnes Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:53:53 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/#comment-50812 It appears Newsmax has pulled the Perry article as the link is redirecting to the main page. It appears Newsmax has pulled the Perry article as the link is redirecting to the main page.

]]> By: Marie_Carnes http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-50811 Marie_Carnes Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:34:00 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/#comment-50811 Karoli, I basically agree with the others that the cases your bring up are protected speech. However, I am very glad you blogged about this in your usual articulate way. I hope you continue to blog about this.<br><br>What I would like to hear, and what a lot of people need to hear, is the cadre of conservative candidates running in the not-too-distant-future primaries, take the podium and forcefully and emphatically denounce that kind of speech and set straight the people who make it and their followers. Instead of SILENTLY counting those followers among their own.<br><br>On a side note: John McCain did a little of that in one of his pre-election town halls, but the signal was obviously much too weak to get through. (I can't recall the exact wording he was trying to refute, but whatever it was, was equally detestable.) Karoli, I basically agree with the others that the cases your bring up are protected speech. However, I am very glad you blogged about this in your usual articulate way. I hope you continue to blog about this.

What I would like to hear, and what a lot of people need to hear, is the cadre of conservative candidates running in the not-too-distant-future primaries, take the podium and forcefully and emphatically denounce that kind of speech and set straight the people who make it and their followers. Instead of SILENTLY counting those followers among their own.

On a side note: John McCain did a little of that in one of his pre-election town halls, but the signal was obviously much too weak to get through. (I can't recall the exact wording he was trying to refute, but whatever it was, was equally detestable.)

]]> By: Kyle Sellers http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-50809 Kyle Sellers Wed, 30 Sep 2009 03:16:01 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/#comment-50809 I think that is a lot of the problem right there. Since the founding of the country, there have crazy nutjobs. They have typically been marginalized, though. Now, with the battle for ratings and a largely agenda driven blogoshere (on both sides) hooting and hollering about each nutjob they find a picture of, things have changed. <br><br>Fox News and Rush Limbaugh talked about threats against Bush, CNN and MSNBC talked about threats against Obama. Both over-sensationalized and misrepresented these stories as "movements" in an attempt to assign guilt by association. <br><br>Before the digital camera and the internet would anyone have heard about any of these crazies? This is just a side effect of everyone being given a voice and able to make alot of noise on the internet. Alot of good comes with this, but the privilege can be abused.<br><br><br>----------<br>This is really an irrelevant side point, but that 400% number is completely without context (did it go from 1 to 4?), and being pushed by an anonymous source to the Southern Poverty Law Center who has been proven to just make things up when it fits their storyline. I think that is a lot of the problem right there. Since the founding of the country, there have crazy nutjobs. They have typically been marginalized, though. Now, with the battle for ratings and a largely agenda driven blogoshere (on both sides) hooting and hollering about each nutjob they find a picture of, things have changed.

Fox News and Rush Limbaugh talked about threats against Bush, CNN and MSNBC talked about threats against Obama. Both over-sensationalized and misrepresented these stories as “movements” in an attempt to assign guilt by association.

Before the digital camera and the internet would anyone have heard about any of these crazies? This is just a side effect of everyone being given a voice and able to make alot of noise on the internet. Alot of good comes with this, but the privilege can be abused.

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This is really an irrelevant side point, but that 400% number is completely without context (did it go from 1 to 4?), and being pushed by an anonymous source to the Southern Poverty Law Center who has been proven to just make things up when it fits their storyline.

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-50805 Karoli Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:57:58 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/#comment-50805 Thanks for the link, I did go through those and do have a vague <br>recollection of the movie now, though I recall it as a "what if" sort <br>of thing...along the same lines, sadly as the Facebook threat I <br>discuss in this post. I did do a search from 2000-2009 on death <br>threats via Google news on President Bush -- here's the link. Quite a <br>few results. <a href="http://bit.ly/2WF0Un" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2WF0Un</a><br><br>Without turning this into a pissing contest, no one is disputing that <br>the number of death threats has risen by a factor of 400 percent. <br>That's a shocking number.<br><br>In some respects I almost feel like it would be better if this stuff <br>went unreported. And then I don't. I'm torn. And honestly, I just wish <br>everyone would take a deep breath and figure out what the hell they're <br>doing. Thanks for the link, I did go through those and do have a vague
recollection of the movie now, though I recall it as a “what if” sort
of thing…along the same lines, sadly as the Facebook threat I
discuss in this post. I did do a search from 2000-2009 on death
threats via Google news on President Bush — here's the link. Quite a
few results. http://bit.ly/2WF0Un

Without turning this into a pissing contest, no one is disputing that
the number of death threats has risen by a factor of 400 percent.
That's a shocking number.

In some respects I almost feel like it would be better if this stuff
went unreported. And then I don't. I'm torn. And honestly, I just wish
everyone would take a deep breath and figure out what the hell they're
doing.

]]> By: Kyle Sellers http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/comment-page-1/#comment-50804 Kyle Sellers Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:25:03 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/09/29/free-speech-one-poke-over-the-line/#comment-50804 Here's an interesting collection of posts regarding posters about Bush. The difference is, these were never reported on. As hard as the conservative protesters are being on Obama, nothing can compare to the hateful treatment aimed at Bush.<br><br><a href="http://bit.ly/2Hl7G1" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/2Hl7G1</a> Here's an interesting collection of posts regarding posters about Bush. The difference is, these were never reported on. As hard as the conservative protesters are being on Obama, nothing can compare to the hateful treatment aimed at Bush.

http://bit.ly/2Hl7G1

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