Convenient Christianity (The American Taliban)

by Karoli on November 20, 2009 · 17 comments

Religion has had more than its say — perhaps too much to say — in our political discourse, so reports of an alliance of evangelical, Roman Catholic and Orthodox Christian leaders who have embarked on a course of “civil disobedience” aren’t a big surprise. Nor is it a surprise that while they’re willing to be disobedient about stem cell research, abortion, same-sex couples, and other social wedge issues, they remain sullenly silent on their active and vibrant role developing the “angry conservative populist” movement. They call it the “Manhattan Declaration”. I call it the Manhattan Manifesto.

Theirs is a severe case of selective Christianity. They argue the truth of the Bible except when they don’t; that is, those times where it’s inconvenient. In their world, it’s perfectly acceptable to merchandise, market and pray Psalm 109:8 alongside the verses before and after, calling for the death of the President of the United States.

Let me see if I can sort this out.

This group of Christians is against death until they’re for it.
This group of Christians is against abortion but opposes health care for children unless their parents are rich enough to pay for it.
This group of Christians is against research that has the possibility to heal people suffering from terrible disease and injury while they proclaim the value of life.

But wait, there’s more! Frank Schaeffer put his preacher hat on and gave the audience a closer look at our American Taliban on Rachel Maddow’s show earlier this week.

Really, this is trawling for assassins. And this is serious business. It’s un-American, it’s unpatriotic, and it goes to show that the religious right, the Republican far-right, have coalesced into a group that truly wants American revolution, and if it turns out to be blood in the streets and death, so be it. This is not funny stuff any more. They cannot be dismissed as just crazies on the fringe. It only takes one.

Indeed. As President Reagan discovered, it only takes one lunatic with an agenda (not even a political agenda!) to leave blood in the street. Schaeffer goes on to characterize these groups as “the American version of the Taliban.” He’s quite right about that. They are. Watch the whole thing.

I wish I had the words to express the anger and HURT these people cause me, not only because they spit in the face of democracy but because they taint me with their ugly hate. Convenient Christians judge and condemn; they cherry-pick the Bible to force an agenda but ignore Jesus’ admonition to love one another; they foment fear and hate instead of peace and love. Every time I confess my own Christianity I have to apologize for theirs. And I do.

Their message is ugly, violent and exclusionary. Once again, they along with their less sanctimonious but no less authoritarian brethren on the far right are telling each and every one of us that OUR vote doesn’t count, that we really don’t live in a democracy, we live in a country where churlish evil can masquerade in priests’ robes to inhabit our homes, our health, and our relationships.

It’s sad to me that churches and demagogues are the terrorists in our country. Their similarity to the Taliban is not sarcasm — this is exactly how the Taliban operates in other countries. The only difference here is that they get a protected Constitutional right to do so and a tax exemption.

Arianna Huffington said that Glenn Beck shouts “Fire!” in a crowded theatre every time he takes to the airwaves. She’s right, of course, but he’s only one of many. The Manhattan Manifesto writers are just as dangerous.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1662078938 facebook-1662078938

    Thank you for speaking up for the true Christians. I have to believe you represent the actual majority of Christians, and that the “Convenient Christians” are but a vocal minority.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    I sincerely hope you are right.

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  • All Christians Unite

    I find it interesting that you engage in Christian Bashing and then declare that you are a Christian yourself.

    After all what makes one a Christian? Is it what we do, or is it those who rely on what Christ has done for us?

    As the Bible states over and over. Do not put your trust in man, but instead in Him. Many Christians understand these words and do just that.

    Why not hold off on the Bashing. . . We Christians are of the same family and are called to be united as one.

  • All Christians Unite

    I find it interesting that you engage in Christian Bashing and then declare that you are a Christian yourself.

    After all what makes one a Christian? Is it what we do, or is it those who rely on what Christ has done for us?

    As the Bible states over and over. Do not put your trust in man, but instead in Him. Many Christians understand these words and do just that.

    Why not hold off on the Bashing. . . We Christians are of the same family and are called to be united as one.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    Sorry. Nowhere in the Bible do I find justification for what these people are doing, and just to be clear, the ones I am critical of are the so-called leaders, the elders, the ones who are supposed to know better. There is no justification for cherry-picking a Psalm that calls for the death of ANYONE, much less our elected President. The term American Taliban applies to these 'leaders'. They want to hold us all hostage and ransom us for their view of what Christ did for us. No thanks.

  • All Christians Unite

    I don't think your Christian Bashing rethoric is helpful. To imply that Christians are meeting, ammassing weapons, killing innocents as the Taliban do all over the world is just stupid.

    Those praying for Obama's term in office to be cut short (empeachment), or to not be reelected, is in no way the same as the Taliban who actually slit throats and shoot innocents.

    To open your Bible and read the context around the verse that is being used is a good thing for you or anyone who opens their Bible and reads it. To assume those praying a portion of the verse are really praying all of the verse and wishing physical harm to Obama and his family is just that, your own assumption.

    Please curb your Christian Bashing. We have enough trouble with Taliban killers and really don't need our own lumping the two together throughout the world. Taliban ideology and Christianity are really two very different animals. Why not unite with your own and not be the first to devour your own? Why not go first to the one who has offended you and settle it in private? The next time, it may by you who offends. After all, we're all in the same boat and in need of a Redeemer. Christ suffered, died and arose for Taliban and Christians alike.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    If you really think the church isn't underneath what's going on in this country, you should get out more. They are, as a group — Catholic, Mormon, and Baptist united — doing some of the worst evil in some of the most insidious ways I have ever seen. Are many doing good? Sure. Many are. But when church 'officials' get together and write a manifesto intended to advance their power base, it transcends the politically correct “oh, let religion be religion” sort of observation.

    Sarah Palin is out there stirring up every fundamentalist in the south and midwest, while Patrick Kennedy is being made an example of by the bishops to make sure the Catholics understand that failing to maintain lockstep means losing their salvation. Or their relationship with the church.

    How far can we be from stonings at the gate? The Taliban rose because religion was used as a hammer to intimidate poor, hungry destitute people into falling in line behind them. They didn't start out slitting throats. That came later, after their power base was set.

  • All Christians Unite

    Your panic that fundamentalists are on the same ideological track as the Taliban is stunning. You're unawareness that the Catholic church has a well recorded history of telling their parishoners that if they don't follow the catholic rules they go to hell is just as stunning. But the most stunning is your way of lumping fundamentalists and catholics into the same category as the Taliban.

  • We Christians Unite

    You know, if it is so important for you to unite a group of Americans with the Taliban, you could put the pro abortionists and the Taliban together. Think about it. Taliban slit throats, Pro Abortionists slit tiny little babies. Taliban do it for Allah. Pro Abortionists do it for 'Women's Right to Choose to Kill her own Offspring when it's inconvenient to bring her Baby to term'. Taliban are heartless toward the innocent. Pro Abortionists are heartless toward the innocent.

    You may have a point after all.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    I think you just did that. I'll let your comment stand for what it is, since it makes my point beautifully.

  • We Christians Unite

    I agree. I got to thinking about more similarities between Taliban and American Pro Abortionists and got even sadder about the direction a few leftists want to take our country. Taliban hold others hostage by threatening their lives if they don't subscribe to their ways, American Pro Abortionists threaten to hold Life Loving Americans hostage by demanding they pay their own tax dollars to support the murder of innocent lives. What's even more diabolicle is the Pro Abortionists go so far as to insult those who do not want to be a part of such atrosities with names and inuendoes that are only meant to intimidate them into aligning lock step with these murderous views.
    The sad thing is that our country already looks the other way when two people who have made a baby on their own initiative decide to kill it in a clean and sterile environment, because they wouldn't want the mother to suffer with an infection or other consequence of her heinous act. Now these same people want those who disdain the act to fund them….
    The battle cry is even louder today than ever before to demand payment from others for acts two people do in the privacy of their own relationship.
    I have to ask, who's trying to hold who hostage? Life loving Americans have tried to stop these murders, but the law protects the adult and not the child. Life loving Americans want the freedom to say no when it comes to paying for others consequences for having sex.

  • We Christians Unite

    I agree. I got to thinking about more similarities between Taliban and American Pro Abortionists and got even sadder about the direction a few leftists want to take our country. Taliban hold others hostage by threatening their lives if they don't subscribe to their ways, American Pro Abortionists threaten to hold Life Loving Americans hostage by demanding they pay their own tax dollars to support the murder of innocent lives. What's even more diabolicle is the Pro Abortionists go so far as to insult those who do not want to be a part of such atrosities with names and inuendoes that are only meant to intimidate them into aligning lock step with these murderous views.
    The sad thing is that our country already looks the other way when two people who have made a baby on their own initiative decide to kill it in a clean and sterile environment, because they wouldn't want the mother to suffer with an infection or other consequence of her heinous act. Now these same people want those who disdain the act to fund them….
    The battle cry is even louder today than ever before to demand payment from others for acts two people do in the privacy of their own relationship.
    I have to ask, who's trying to hold who hostage? Life loving Americans have tried to stop these murders, but the law protects the adult and not the child. Life loving Americans want the freedom to say no when it comes to paying for others consequences for having sex.

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  • imihaiu

    Maybe we should end this wild goose chase against these so-called Taliban killers, who are in fact people like us and who the Government wants you to believe are the menace, when in fact we are a menace to our christianity religion by the way we act and how we only respect the word of God when it suites us.

  • imihaiu

    Maybe we should end this wild goose chase against these so-called Taliban killers, who are in fact people like us and who the Government wants you to believe are the menace, when in fact we are a menace to our christianity religion by the way we act and how we only respect the word of God when it suites us.

  • http://www.wisdom4today.org Dr Michael Williams

    I find it amazing that so many people who claim to be Christians haven’t a clue about what the Bible teaches. In this country as of this past year, 80% of Americans claim to be Christian. That is 240 million out of 300 million citizens. Of that 240 million about 35% of them claim to be “born again” when presented with a definition of the same. If they answered correctly, that means 84 million Americans meet the definition of “born again” Christians. Of that 84 million who say they are born again, 9% have a Biblical world view. I Biblical world view is loosely defined as someone who see the world through the truth and teachings of the Bible and try to live their lives accordingly, That means 7.6 million have a Biblical world view, which compared to 300 million come to just 2.52% of Americans. When surveying behaviors of those with a Biblical world view and comparing the results with behaviors of those who do not have a Biblical world view the differences in the results are astounding. In almost every category, those who have no Biblical world view have results almost identical to people who deny being Christian. Those who have a Biblical world view have rates of problems like divorce, pornography addiction, alcohol and drug addictions, out of wedlock pregnancies, and child abuse, amongst other problems, that are in nearly non-existent or at most in single digits. Compared to rates near or more than 50% in those who have no Biblical worldview, those with a Biblical worldview live drastically different and better lives. Now where am I going with this? Before you start white washing Christianity as being evil, start looking at REAL Christians and not the ones who call themselves Christian and live for the Devil. As a Bible believing Christian I amazes me how often people who have no Biblical world view will present him or herself as the arbitrator of Christian values. The very tone of this article violates the CLEAR teaching in Matthew 18:15-17; Galatians 6:1-2; and Ephesians 4:25-32 on how a real Christian is suppose to approach others who are sinning. As Christians who meet the BIBLICAL definition of a Christian as found in Antioch (Acts 11) we need to stop letting Non-Christians and those who call him or herself a Christian when they have no Biblical world view define Christianity. We need to take our 2.5% of the population and turn the world upside down as the disciples did 200 years ago. We need to speak out for good and against evil in the Spirit of love as Jesus demonstrated. I think Gandhi said it best when he said he I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. he was a rare example of a non-Christian who knew the difference.

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