Comments on: A public option by any other name still contains costs http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/ ...politics, pictures, pugs and all that jazz Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tell me again: What was the public option supposed to do? http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-51256 Tell me again: What was the public option supposed to do? Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:11:40 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/#comment-51256 [...] that doesn’t feel right to me, since other avenues land on the same square. But instincts and wishes don’t make things fact, so I decided to spend some quality time [...] [...] that doesn’t feel right to me, since other avenues land on the same square. But instincts and wishes don’t make things fact, so I decided to spend some quality time [...]

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-51760 Karoli Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:32:41 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/#comment-51760 Jaelithe, I thought Ezra Klein nailed it in less words that I could put together:<br><br>"public option partnered with Medicare might have been better than these policies, but national non-profits and direct competition between Medicare and insurers is more promising than the compromised public plans that succeeded the initial policy idea. In fact, it's like we split the strong public option into two parts. " Jaelithe, I thought Ezra Klein nailed it in less words that I could put together:

“public option partnered with Medicare might have been better than these policies, but national non-profits and direct competition between Medicare and insurers is more promising than the compromised public plans that succeeded the initial policy idea. In fact, it's like we split the strong public option into two parts. “

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-51270 Karoli Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:32:41 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/#comment-51270 Jaelithe, I thought Ezra Klein nailed it in less words that I could put together:<br><br>"public option partnered with Medicare might have been better than these policies, but national non-profits and direct competition between Medicare and insurers is more promising than the compromised public plans that succeeded the initial policy idea. In fact, it's like we split the strong public option into two parts. " Jaelithe, I thought Ezra Klein nailed it in less words that I could put together:

“public option partnered with Medicare might have been better than these policies, but national non-profits and direct competition between Medicare and insurers is more promising than the compromised public plans that succeeded the initial policy idea. In fact, it's like we split the strong public option into two parts. “

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-51251 Karoli Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:32:41 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/#comment-51251 Jaelithe, I thought Ezra Klein nailed it in less words that I could put together:<br><br>"public option partnered with Medicare might have been better than these policies, but national non-profits and direct competition between Medicare and insurers is more promising than the compromised public plans that succeeded the initial policy idea. In fact, it's like we split the strong public option into two parts. " Jaelithe, I thought Ezra Klein nailed it in less words that I could put together:

“public option partnered with Medicare might have been better than these policies, but national non-profits and direct competition between Medicare and insurers is more promising than the compromised public plans that succeeded the initial policy idea. In fact, it's like we split the strong public option into two parts. “

]]> By: Jaelithe http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-51249 Jaelithe Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:11:05 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/#comment-51249 How is taking older, more expensive uninsured patients out of the market a cost control measure, though? It sounds like a money-saving measure FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANIES. But it is not a cost control measure unless the companies pass those savings on to the younger people who are paying premiums. Given their past behavior, how likely do you honestly think it is that the insurance companies won't just take that money and run? Look, the insurance companies swore up and down in Massachusetts, when the MassCare legislation was being written that they would lower costs for consumers as soon as everyone legally had to buy insurance. They didn't. At all. People in Massachusetts still pay more than the national average for coverage. This is why I believe STRONG strong super-strong cost control is necessary in whatever health reform we pass. The insurance companies are not going to volunteer to pass on savings to their customers. <br><br>I am not opposed to allowing people to buy in to Medicare at an earlier age. Not at all. That would be simpler than setting up a whole new program. But I think that younger age should be 0. How is taking older, more expensive uninsured patients out of the market a cost control measure, though? It sounds like a money-saving measure FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANIES. But it is not a cost control measure unless the companies pass those savings on to the younger people who are paying premiums. Given their past behavior, how likely do you honestly think it is that the insurance companies won't just take that money and run? Look, the insurance companies swore up and down in Massachusetts, when the MassCare legislation was being written that they would lower costs for consumers as soon as everyone legally had to buy insurance. They didn't. At all. People in Massachusetts still pay more than the national average for coverage. This is why I believe STRONG strong super-strong cost control is necessary in whatever health reform we pass. The insurance companies are not going to volunteer to pass on savings to their customers.

I am not opposed to allowing people to buy in to Medicare at an earlier age. Not at all. That would be simpler than setting up a whole new program. But I think that younger age should be 0.

]]> By: Jaelithe http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-51761 Jaelithe Wed, 09 Dec 2009 12:11:05 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/#comment-51761 How is taking older, more expensive uninsured patients out of the market a cost control measure, though? It sounds like a money-saving measure FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANIES. But it is not a cost control measure unless the companies pass those savings on to the younger people who are paying premiums. Given their past behavior, how likely do you honestly think it is that the insurance companies won't just take that money and run? Look, the insurance companies swore up and down in Massachusetts, when the MassCare legislation was being written that they would lower costs for consumers as soon as everyone legally had to buy insurance. They didn't. At all. People in Massachusetts still pay more than the national average for coverage. This is why I believe STRONG strong super-strong cost control is necessary in whatever health reform we pass. The insurance companies are not going to volunteer to pass on savings to their customers. <br><br>I am not opposed to allowing people to buy in to Medicare at an earlier age. Not at all. That would be simpler than setting up a whole new program. But I think that younger age should be 0. How is taking older, more expensive uninsured patients out of the market a cost control measure, though? It sounds like a money-saving measure FOR THE INSURANCE COMPANIES. But it is not a cost control measure unless the companies pass those savings on to the younger people who are paying premiums. Given their past behavior, how likely do you honestly think it is that the insurance companies won't just take that money and run? Look, the insurance companies swore up and down in Massachusetts, when the MassCare legislation was being written that they would lower costs for consumers as soon as everyone legally had to buy insurance. They didn't. At all. People in Massachusetts still pay more than the national average for coverage. This is why I believe STRONG strong super-strong cost control is necessary in whatever health reform we pass. The insurance companies are not going to volunteer to pass on savings to their customers.

I am not opposed to allowing people to buy in to Medicare at an earlier age. Not at all. That would be simpler than setting up a whole new program. But I think that younger age should be 0.

]]> By: uberVU - social comments http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-51246 uberVU - social comments Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:42:38 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/#comment-51246 <strong>Social comments and analytics for this post...</strong> This post was mentioned on Identica by karoli: New blog post: A public option by any other name still contains costs http://ur1.ca/hedh... Social comments and analytics for this post…

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]]> By: Cynematic http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/comment-page-1/#comment-51247 Cynematic Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:55:01 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/08/a-public-option-by-any-other-name-still-contains-costs/#comment-51247 Thank you for the succinct summary--going around to various sources to find out what happened as I was offline for much of the day. Thank you for the succinct summary–going around to various sources to find out what happened as I was offline for much of the day.

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