Comments on: Decision time: Stupak or public option Both? Neither? http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/ ...politics, pictures, pugs and all that jazz Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Stupak and Public Option, or No Stupak or Public Option | Blog of the Moderate Left http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-52151 Stupak and Public Option, or No Stupak or Public Option | Blog of the Moderate Left Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:04:15 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/#comment-52151 [...] think Karoli’s right, that’s going to be the big trade in conference. The language out of the Senate on choice is bad, but not nearly so bad as Stupak. It doesn’t [...] [...] think Karoli’s right, that’s going to be the big trade in conference. The language out of the Senate on choice is bad, but not nearly so bad as Stupak. It doesn’t [...]

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-51722 Karoli Mon, 21 Dec 2009 07:23:15 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/#comment-51722 John, that's why I disclaimed my position with the suggestion with the assumption that there was some narrow needle eye that could be threaded. But if not, then those calls to kill the bill may come to pass, since it does not appear that the progressives in the House will support any compromise without a public option. Howard Dean may yet get his wish. John, that's why I disclaimed my position with the suggestion with the assumption that there was some narrow needle eye that could be threaded. But if not, then those calls to kill the bill may come to pass, since it does not appear that the progressives in the House will support any compromise without a public option. Howard Dean may yet get his wish.

]]> By: John http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-51592 John Mon, 21 Dec 2009 02:42:52 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/#comment-51592 Conference reports do not take a simple majority to pass. They can be filibustered like everything else. They still need Nelson and Lieberman to pass the conference report, so the public option is done. Conference reports do not take a simple majority to pass. They can be filibustered like everything else. They still need Nelson and Lieberman to pass the conference report, so the public option is done.

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-51432 Karoli Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:23:15 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/#comment-51432 John, that's why I disclaimed my position with the suggestion with the assumption that there was some narrow needle eye that could be threaded. But if not, then those calls to kill the bill may come to pass, since it does not appear that the progressives in the House will support any compromise without a public option. Howard Dean may yet get his wish. John, that's why I disclaimed my position with the suggestion with the assumption that there was some narrow needle eye that could be threaded. But if not, then those calls to kill the bill may come to pass, since it does not appear that the progressives in the House will support any compromise without a public option. Howard Dean may yet get his wish.

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-51593 Karoli Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:23:15 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/#comment-51593 John, that's why I disclaimed my position with the suggestion with the assumption that there was some narrow needle eye that could be threaded. But if not, then those calls to kill the bill may come to pass, since it does not appear that the progressives in the House will support any compromise without a public option. Howard Dean may yet get his wish. John, that's why I disclaimed my position with the suggestion with the assumption that there was some narrow needle eye that could be threaded. But if not, then those calls to kill the bill may come to pass, since it does not appear that the progressives in the House will support any compromise without a public option. Howard Dean may yet get his wish.

]]> By: John http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-51424 John Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:42:52 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/#comment-51424 Conference reports do not take a simple majority to pass. They can be filibustered like everything else. They still need Nelson and Lieberman to pass the conference report, so the public option is done. Conference reports do not take a simple majority to pass. They can be filibustered like everything else. They still need Nelson and Lieberman to pass the conference report, so the public option is done.

]]> By: feminist blogs in english » » If it’s one or the other http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-51420 feminist blogs in english » » If it’s one or the other Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:50:09 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/#comment-51420 [...] Fecke links to Karoli explaining why there’s a strong chance that compromise between the House and Senate bills will involve a [...] [...] Fecke links to Karoli explaining why there’s a strong chance that compromise between the House and Senate bills will involve a [...]

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-51423 Karoli Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:51:35 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/#comment-51423 In the long term, trading Stupak for the public option might not be such a bad deal. Stupak could be undone in other ways, but as has been pointed out to me in the past, once the public option is in place, it could be built upon. In the long term, trading Stupak for the public option might not be such a bad deal. Stupak could be undone in other ways, but as has been pointed out to me in the past, once the public option is in place, it could be built upon.

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-51421 Karoli Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:50:14 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/#comment-51421 John,<br><br>We have two bills going to conference committee. One has a public option; one doesn't. Conference reports take a simple majority to pass. The only question is what House provisions land in the final conference report. <br><br>What makes you so sure the public option won't end up there? John,

We have two bills going to conference committee. One has a public option; one doesn't. Conference reports take a simple majority to pass. The only question is what House provisions land in the final conference report.

What makes you so sure the public option won't end up there?

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/comment-page-1/#comment-51422 Karoli Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:51:35 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/decision-time-stupak-or-public-option-both-neither/#comment-51422 In the long term, trading Stupak for the public option might not be such a bad deal. Stupak could be undone in other ways, but as has been pointed out to me in the past, once the public option is in place, it could be built upon. In the long term, trading Stupak for the public option might not be such a bad deal. Stupak could be undone in other ways, but as has been pointed out to me in the past, once the public option is in place, it could be built upon.

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