Comments on: Health Care Reform history lesson http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/ ...politics, pictures, pugs and all that jazz Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-51799 Karoli Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:39:36 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/#comment-51799 My picture, Francine, is limited to what's in front of me. Layering a loss on top of a win is not particularly helpful if forward progress is the goal. Some of us would just be grateful for the opportunity to sleep at night without wondering what disaster could strike around the corner. My picture, Francine, is limited to what's in front of me. Layering a loss on top of a win is not particularly helpful if forward progress is the goal. Some of us would just be grateful for the opportunity to sleep at night without wondering what disaster could strike around the corner.

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-51412 Karoli Sat, 19 Dec 2009 22:39:36 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/#comment-51412 My picture, Francine, is limited to what's in front of me. Layering a loss on top of a win is not particularly helpful if forward progress is the goal. Some of us would just be grateful for the opportunity to sleep at night without wondering what disaster could strike around the corner. My picture, Francine, is limited to what's in front of me. Layering a loss on top of a win is not particularly helpful if forward progress is the goal. Some of us would just be grateful for the opportunity to sleep at night without wondering what disaster could strike around the corner.

]]> By: uberVU - social comments http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-51405 uberVU - social comments Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:18:49 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/#comment-51405 <strong>Social comments and analytics for this post...</strong> This post was mentioned on Identica by karoli: New blog post: Health Care Reform history lesson http://ur1.ca/i81c... Social comments and analytics for this post…

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]]> By: Concern4Civility http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-51408 Concern4Civility Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:58:29 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/#comment-51408 Both points of view are correct. I am reminded of this famous quotation from Abraham Lincoln: "If I were to try to read, much less answer, all the attacks made on me, this shop might as well be closed for any other business. I do the very best I know how - the very best I can; and I mean to keep doing so until the end. If the end brings me out all right, what's said against me won't amount to anything. If the end brings me out wrong, ten angels swearing I was right would make no difference." --- Meryl333 Both points of view are correct. I am reminded of this famous quotation from Abraham Lincoln: “If I were to try to read, much less answer, all the attacks made on me, this shop might as well be closed for any other business. I do the very best I know how – the very best I can; and I mean to keep doing so until the end. If the end brings me out all right, what's said against me won't amount to anything. If the end brings me out wrong, ten angels swearing I was right would make no difference.” — Meryl333

]]> By: Michael Markman (Mickeleh) http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-51407 Michael Markman (Mickeleh) Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:49:21 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/#comment-51407 In other words... take your half a loaf and be happy that the insurance companies and drug companies allowed the Democrats to do anything. If all we can get is half a loaf, then I'll take. But I won't be happy. It makes all of Obama's campaign rhetoric ring hollow. Transfomation my ass. "incrementalism you can believe in" would have been a more honest slogan. In other words… take your half a loaf and be happy that the insurance companies and drug companies allowed the Democrats to do anything. If all we can get is half a loaf, then I'll take. But I won't be happy. It makes all of Obama's campaign rhetoric ring hollow. Transfomation my ass. “incrementalism you can believe in” would have been a more honest slogan.

]]> By: Francine Hardaway http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-51406 Francine Hardaway Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:25:49 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/#comment-51406 Not arguing with any of that. And Obama took his plays from Clinton's play book; if Clinton did it, Obama wouldn't, because Clinton failed. I'm not against the reform, but I am against the fact that a deal was made before the discussion even began, which means single payer was never on the table, and any re-pricing of drugs was never on the table. The big costs in health care, outside of those from waste and fraud, are non-standard billing and clinical systems due to multiple insurance companies, non-standard non-outcomes based clinical practice, and the approval of prescription drugs that aren't effective and are costly to produce and sometimes even unsafe. We will hand the insurance companies 30,000,000 new customers that they can overcharge, knowing our tax money will pay for them. We have asked nothing from the insurance companies, and nothing from pharma. <br><br>What will we get in exchange? We will get pre-existing conditions allowed. And Obama will lose big in the next election, because his failure to step up and be transformative in a time of crisis will embolden movements like the Tea Partiers. Everyone in middle America now knows the fix is in. This isn't "change." This is the party of the people giving in to the same big money interests that the Republicans do.<br><br>The difference between Clinton's and Obama's<br> is that we are now in a fiscal crisis. We weren't then. In a crisis, you can be more aggressive. But we haven't been. Watch what happens to the taxes and the deficit when we start subsidizing health care that insurance companies don't have to cut costs on. <br><br>I tend to see a bigger picture than just #hcr. I think I am seeing the future of a corrupt country rule by money instead of a desire for independence, greed instead of compassion. And because I read economics as well as health care, I see us heading off a cliff. Unless the tax on medical devices is high enough to support the cost of reform. Not arguing with any of that. And Obama took his plays from Clinton's play book; if Clinton did it, Obama wouldn't, because Clinton failed. I'm not against the reform, but I am against the fact that a deal was made before the discussion even began, which means single payer was never on the table, and any re-pricing of drugs was never on the table. The big costs in health care, outside of those from waste and fraud, are non-standard billing and clinical systems due to multiple insurance companies, non-standard non-outcomes based clinical practice, and the approval of prescription drugs that aren't effective and are costly to produce and sometimes even unsafe. We will hand the insurance companies 30,000,000 new customers that they can overcharge, knowing our tax money will pay for them. We have asked nothing from the insurance companies, and nothing from pharma.

What will we get in exchange? We will get pre-existing conditions allowed. And Obama will lose big in the next election, because his failure to step up and be transformative in a time of crisis will embolden movements like the Tea Partiers. Everyone in middle America now knows the fix is in. This isn't “change.” This is the party of the people giving in to the same big money interests that the Republicans do.

The difference between Clinton's and Obama's
is that we are now in a fiscal crisis. We weren't then. In a crisis, you can be more aggressive. But we haven't been. Watch what happens to the taxes and the deficit when we start subsidizing health care that insurance companies don't have to cut costs on.

I tend to see a bigger picture than just #hcr. I think I am seeing the future of a corrupt country rule by money instead of a desire for independence, greed instead of compassion. And because I read economics as well as health care, I see us heading off a cliff. Unless the tax on medical devices is high enough to support the cost of reform.

]]> By: Concern4Civility http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-51800 Concern4Civility Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:58:29 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/#comment-51800 Hardaway & Karoli are both making important points. I am reminded of this famous quotation from Abraham Lincoln: "If I were to try to read, much less answer, all the attacks made on me, this shop might as well be closed for any other business. I do the very best I know how - the very best I can; and I mean to keep doing so until the end. If the end brings me out all right, what's said against me won't amount to anything. If the end brings me out wrong, ten angels swearing I was right would make no difference." --- Meryl333 Hardaway & Karoli are both making important points. I am reminded of this famous quotation from Abraham Lincoln: “If I were to try to read, much less answer, all the attacks made on me, this shop might as well be closed for any other business. I do the very best I know how – the very best I can; and I mean to keep doing so until the end. If the end brings me out all right, what's said against me won't amount to anything. If the end brings me out wrong, ten angels swearing I was right would make no difference.” — Meryl333

]]> By: Michael Markman (Mickeleh) http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-51801 Michael Markman (Mickeleh) Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:49:21 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/#comment-51801 In other words... take your half a loaf and be happy that the insurance companies and drug companies allowed the Democrats to do anything. If all we can get is half a loaf, then I'll take. But I won't be happy. It makes all of Obama's campaign rhetoric ring hollow. Transfomation my ass. "incrementalism you can believe in" would have been a more honest slogan. In other words… take your half a loaf and be happy that the insurance companies and drug companies allowed the Democrats to do anything. If all we can get is half a loaf, then I'll take. But I won't be happy. It makes all of Obama's campaign rhetoric ring hollow. Transfomation my ass. “incrementalism you can believe in” would have been a more honest slogan.

]]> By: Francine Hardaway http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/comment-page-1/#comment-51802 Francine Hardaway Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:25:49 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/19/health-care-reform-history-lesson/#comment-51802 Not arguing with any of that. And Obama took his plays from Clinton's play book; if Clinton did it, Obama wouldn't, because Clinton failed. I'm not against the reform, but I am against the fact that a deal was made before the discussion even began, which means single payer was never on the table, and any re-pricing of drugs was never on the table. The big costs in health care, outside of those from waste and fraud, are non-standard billing and clinical systems due to multiple insurance companies, non-standard non-outcomes based clinical practice, and the approval of prescription drugs that aren't effective and are costly to produce and sometimes even unsafe. We will hand the insurance companies 30,000,000 new customers that they can overcharge, knowing our tax money will pay for them. We have asked nothing from the insurance companies, and nothing from pharma. <br><br>What will we get in exchange? We will get pre-existing conditions allowed. And Obama will lose big in the next election, because his failure to step up and be transformative in a time of crisis will embolden movements like the Tea Partiers. Everyone in middle America now knows the fix is in. This isn't "change." This is the party of the people giving in to the same big money interests that the Republicans do.<br><br>The difference between Clinton's and Obama's<br> is that we are now in a fiscal crisis. We weren't then. In a crisis, you can be more aggressive. But we haven't been. Watch what happens to the taxes and the deficit when we start subsidizing health care that insurance companies don't have to cut costs on. <br><br>I tend to see a bigger picture than just #hcr. I think I am seeing the future of a corrupt country rule by money instead of a desire for independence, greed instead of compassion. And because I read economics as well as health care, I see us heading off a cliff. Unless the tax on medical devices is high enough to support the cost of reform. Not arguing with any of that. And Obama took his plays from Clinton's play book; if Clinton did it, Obama wouldn't, because Clinton failed. I'm not against the reform, but I am against the fact that a deal was made before the discussion even began, which means single payer was never on the table, and any re-pricing of drugs was never on the table. The big costs in health care, outside of those from waste and fraud, are non-standard billing and clinical systems due to multiple insurance companies, non-standard non-outcomes based clinical practice, and the approval of prescription drugs that aren't effective and are costly to produce and sometimes even unsafe. We will hand the insurance companies 30,000,000 new customers that they can overcharge, knowing our tax money will pay for them. We have asked nothing from the insurance companies, and nothing from pharma.

What will we get in exchange? We will get pre-existing conditions allowed. And Obama will lose big in the next election, because his failure to step up and be transformative in a time of crisis will embolden movements like the Tea Partiers. Everyone in middle America now knows the fix is in. This isn't “change.” This is the party of the people giving in to the same big money interests that the Republicans do.

The difference between Clinton's and Obama's
is that we are now in a fiscal crisis. We weren't then. In a crisis, you can be more aggressive. But we haven't been. Watch what happens to the taxes and the deficit when we start subsidizing health care that insurance companies don't have to cut costs on.

I tend to see a bigger picture than just #hcr. I think I am seeing the future of a corrupt country rule by money instead of a desire for independence, greed instead of compassion. And because I read economics as well as health care, I see us heading off a cliff. Unless the tax on medical devices is high enough to support the cost of reform.

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