Comments on: Vic Chesnutt: Free of Hope http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/ ...politics, pictures, pugs and all that jazz Fri, 03 Feb 2012 08:24:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: So Sad http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-51596 So Sad Mon, 28 Dec 2009 20:14:56 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/#comment-51596 Dickens was in fact opposed to that philosophy. His main character (whom you have quoted) awakens to charity in a joyful, abundant, careless way. His character did not go to the government and demand that they tax the people. No, he himself saw the light and gave from his own abundance, not from compulsion, but from the profound understanding of humanity that was pointed out to him from three spirits. The last line in the story from the character with the most physcially deserving ailment says with joy, "God Bless Everyone" The private citizen (Scrooge) opens his own wallet and generously donates his money to this family in need and gives Tiny Tim's father the living wage he deserves. <br>Government taxation and pilphoring was not implied as a good thing in this story. Creating slush funds for elected officials was not embraced. Scrooge wasn't cutting deals with city officials, etc., etc., etc. Dickens was in fact opposed to that philosophy. His main character (whom you have quoted) awakens to charity in a joyful, abundant, careless way. His character did not go to the government and demand that they tax the people. No, he himself saw the light and gave from his own abundance, not from compulsion, but from the profound understanding of humanity that was pointed out to him from three spirits. The last line in the story from the character with the most physcially deserving ailment says with joy, “God Bless Everyone” The private citizen (Scrooge) opens his own wallet and generously donates his money to this family in need and gives Tiny Tim's father the living wage he deserves.
Government taxation and pilphoring was not implied as a good thing in this story. Creating slush funds for elected officials was not embraced. Scrooge wasn't cutting deals with city officials, etc., etc., etc.

]]> By: So Sad http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-51531 So Sad Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:14:56 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/#comment-51531 Dickens was in fact opposed to that philosophy. His main character (whom you have quoted) awakens to charity in a joyful, abundant, careless way. His character did not go to the government and demand that they tax the people. No, he himself saw the light and gave from his own abundance, not from compulsion, but from the profound understanding of humanity that was pointed out to him from three spirits. The last line in the story from the character with the most physcially deserving ailment says with joy, "God Bless Everyone" The private citizen (Scrooge) opens his own wallet and generously donates his money to this family in need and gives Tiny Tim's father the living wage he deserves. <br>Government taxation and pilphoring was not implied as a good thing in this story. Creating slush funds for elected officials was not embraced. Scrooge wasn't cutting deals with city officials, etc., etc., etc. Dickens was in fact opposed to that philosophy. His main character (whom you have quoted) awakens to charity in a joyful, abundant, careless way. His character did not go to the government and demand that they tax the people. No, he himself saw the light and gave from his own abundance, not from compulsion, but from the profound understanding of humanity that was pointed out to him from three spirits. The last line in the story from the character with the most physcially deserving ailment says with joy, “God Bless Everyone” The private citizen (Scrooge) opens his own wallet and generously donates his money to this family in need and gives Tiny Tim's father the living wage he deserves.
Government taxation and pilphoring was not implied as a good thing in this story. Creating slush funds for elected officials was not embraced. Scrooge wasn't cutting deals with city officials, etc., etc., etc.

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-51524 Karoli Sun, 27 Dec 2009 21:13:55 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/#comment-51524 "Are there no workhouses? No prisons? Then let them die, and decrease the<br>surplus population."<br><br>Dickens loves that philosophy. “Are there no workhouses? No prisons? Then let them die, and decrease the
surplus population.”

Dickens loves that philosophy.

]]> By: So Sad http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-51519 So Sad Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:54:39 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/#comment-51519 We have a system in place to help those in Chestnutt's position. It's called charity. Churches have been notorious for fundraising and donating money, time and talent to causes like Chestnutt's. Charity should be applauded and encouraged right now as an alternative to compulsory payments to pay others bills. Give from an overflowing heart. Government is to be limited. Charity in abundance. <br>Philanthropy, donations, etc. We have a system in place to help those in Chestnutt's position. It's called charity. Churches have been notorious for fundraising and donating money, time and talent to causes like Chestnutt's. Charity should be applauded and encouraged right now as an alternative to compulsory payments to pay others bills. Give from an overflowing heart. Government is to be limited. Charity in abundance.
Philanthropy, donations, etc.

]]> By: Kyle Sellers http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-51516 Kyle Sellers Sun, 27 Dec 2009 04:16:26 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/#comment-51516 I'm not the one who brought this up "before his body is even cold." Karoli tried to make a martyr/hero out of him and I responded. I'm sorry, but treating drunk-drivers is about the lowest item on my list of priorities for health reform.<br><br>How about we work on covering people who are truly deserving of assistance before we start worrying about people who injured themselves while endangering the lives of others? I'm not the one who brought this up “before his body is even cold.” Karoli tried to make a martyr/hero out of him and I responded. I'm sorry, but treating drunk-drivers is about the lowest item on my list of priorities for health reform.

How about we work on covering people who are truly deserving of assistance before we start worrying about people who injured themselves while endangering the lives of others?

]]> By: Kyle Sellers http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-51517 Kyle Sellers Sun, 27 Dec 2009 03:13:39 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/#comment-51517 He deserves help, and anyone who wishes to is more than welcome to help him. He does not deserve to be able to push the consequences of his actions off on others. I applaud anyone who would've stepped in and helped him out.<br><br>But that is not what this is about. You're suggesting that someone else should pick up the tab for him, to the tune of $70,000. I can think of a lot of better uses for $70,000 than paying for some guys self-inflicted injuries. He deserves help, and anyone who wishes to is more than welcome to help him. He does not deserve to be able to push the consequences of his actions off on others. I applaud anyone who would've stepped in and helped him out.

But that is not what this is about. You're suggesting that someone else should pick up the tab for him, to the tune of $70,000. I can think of a lot of better uses for $70,000 than paying for some guys self-inflicted injuries.

]]> By: matttbastard http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-51512 matttbastard Sun, 27 Dec 2009 03:05:48 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/#comment-51512 <blockquote>I'm not saying "he had it coming" or anything like that.</blockquote><br><br>Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit. <br><br>That's <i>exactly</i> what you're saying. About a man whose body isn't even cold. Whose family and friends are currently beside themselves with mourning. Whose widow has now inherited those medical bills and the ongoing litigation that Chesnutt was facing. <br><br>And you want to reduce this man's expansive artistic and personal legacy into a PSA against drunk driving? Really?<br><br>I think that says a whole hell of a lot more about you, your apparent severe emotional retardation, and your utterly perverted sense of priorities than it does about any sins Chesnutt committed during his all-too-brief time in this mortal coil.

I'm not saying “he had it coming” or anything like that.

Bullshit. Bull-fucking-shit.

That's exactly what you're saying. About a man whose body isn't even cold. Whose family and friends are currently beside themselves with mourning. Whose widow has now inherited those medical bills and the ongoing litigation that Chesnutt was facing.

And you want to reduce this man's expansive artistic and personal legacy into a PSA against drunk driving? Really?

I think that says a whole hell of a lot more about you, your apparent severe emotional retardation, and your utterly perverted sense of priorities than it does about any sins Chesnutt committed during his all-too-brief time in this mortal coil.

]]> By: Karoli http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-51511 Karoli Sun, 27 Dec 2009 02:10:41 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/#comment-51511 Kyle, I'm really glad that you didn't do anything stupid at age 18 that left you dependent on others. Here's a guy who overcame his stupidity enough to at least give us some decent (if depressive) music, and you say he doesn't deserve help? Wow, so much for humankindness. Kyle, I'm really glad that you didn't do anything stupid at age 18 that left you dependent on others. Here's a guy who overcame his stupidity enough to at least give us some decent (if depressive) music, and you say he doesn't deserve help? Wow, so much for humankindness.

]]> By: Kyle Sellers http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/comment-page-1/#comment-51510 Kyle Sellers Sun, 27 Dec 2009 01:04:34 +0000 http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009/12/26/vic-chesnutt-free-of-hope/#comment-51510 The story of Vic Chestnutt should be told to more people. But not not as a sad story to push for reform--it should be a cautionary tale that demonstrates the consequences of driving drunk. Had he been the victim of a drunk driver, that would be a different story. As it stands though, there is only one person responsible for his rough life and for his eventual death--Vic Chestnutt.<br><br>Now, I know that drunk driving is a forgivable offense to some (hell, Rick Sanchez at CNN killed a man while drunk and fled the scene and he's a favorite of the left), but my family has suffered 4 deaths at the hands of drunk drivers, so I have little sympathy. It's not just being stupid at 18, it's willfully putting others at risk. Would you feel differently about this story if he had killed a family in the accident that left him crippled? Because it is nothing but chance that resulted in him being the only casualty. <br><br>But the REAL question is, why should everyone else have to pay for this man's self inflicted injuries? Why should we as a society foot the bill for Vic Chestnutt's $70,000 in bills as a result of his drunk driving? Why should he have the privilege of being supported by the state? Should we rush to congratulate (with our checkbooks out) a man who shoots himself in the foot in order to get a handicapped parking pass? Should a person who throws himself in front of a bus in an attempted suicide and ends up wheelchair bound for life, be supported by people who go out and work hard and live responsibly?<br><br>I'm not saying "he had it coming" or anything like that. I'm saying that a self inflicted injury does not deserve the pity or the financial assistance of society. And stories like this are just one more reason why 18 year old kids SHOULD NOT DRINK AND DRIVE. Hopefully some young fans of his will learn that lesson. The story of Vic Chestnutt should be told to more people. But not not as a sad story to push for reform–it should be a cautionary tale that demonstrates the consequences of driving drunk. Had he been the victim of a drunk driver, that would be a different story. As it stands though, there is only one person responsible for his rough life and for his eventual death–Vic Chestnutt.

Now, I know that drunk driving is a forgivable offense to some (hell, Rick Sanchez at CNN killed a man while drunk and fled the scene and he's a favorite of the left), but my family has suffered 4 deaths at the hands of drunk drivers, so I have little sympathy. It's not just being stupid at 18, it's willfully putting others at risk. Would you feel differently about this story if he had killed a family in the accident that left him crippled? Because it is nothing but chance that resulted in him being the only casualty.

But the REAL question is, why should everyone else have to pay for this man's self inflicted injuries? Why should we as a society foot the bill for Vic Chestnutt's $70,000 in bills as a result of his drunk driving? Why should he have the privilege of being supported by the state? Should we rush to congratulate (with our checkbooks out) a man who shoots himself in the foot in order to get a handicapped parking pass? Should a person who throws himself in front of a bus in an attempted suicide and ends up wheelchair bound for life, be supported by people who go out and work hard and live responsibly?

I'm not saying “he had it coming” or anything like that. I'm saying that a self inflicted injury does not deserve the pity or the financial assistance of society. And stories like this are just one more reason why 18 year old kids SHOULD NOT DRINK AND DRIVE. Hopefully some young fans of his will learn that lesson.

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