I Obot?

by Karoli on June 24, 2011 · 53 comments

It’s time to address this once and for all. Here are a couple of things about me that you can count on. First, when I criticize the President, I endeavor to do so in a constructive way. Second, I will give this administration the benefit of the doubt. Third, there is never going to be a time where I will grunt and say that Obama is just like Bush. This is because that would be a lie of the highest magnitude.

I understand that it’s all the rage these days to take anger at Republican obstruction and project it onto the President. I also understand that it’s all the rage, and I do mean rage, to take disappointment that he hasn’t moved whatever heaven and earth he should have moved for your personal pet issues quickly enough.

Gay rights? Yes, despite his DOJ making the decision that DOMA is unconstitutional and despite signing DADT’s repeal into law last year, despite setting policies for government employees that allow same sex partners to be covered by employees’ health insurance, and despite the fact that this president is undoing much of what our last Democratic president did, it’s not enough for some. It’s not fast enough, it’s not right enough, it’s not enough. Period. Fair enough. It’s your right to be peeved, but don’t project that onto me or suggest I’m some kind of robot-being for not shaking my fist hard enough. I prefer to fight that battle on the state level, thankyouverymuch.

Guantanamo? Let’s all repeat after me: Congress killed the Guantanamo closure, not the President. But he didn’t fight hard enough, you say? To which I reply, choose your battles. This was one he desperately wanted to win for a number of reasons which transcend the disgruntlement of some of his left-leaning (former) supporters. But alas, he has an intransigent Congress with a bunch of wingnuts in the House. Everything is a battle. And to be fair, there were some conservadems willing to join hands to block that closure, so he was more or less out of ammo before he loaded the gun. Pick your battles, I say.  Anyone who has raised kids knows by the time the second one can talk that every disagreement can’t be a battleground, no matter how much you want it to be.

Tax cuts? Okay, here’s a legitimate gripe. I’ll join in this one. I wanted the tax cuts to expire rather than a deal. On the other hand, it’s difficult for me to toss unemployed folks under the bus when the tradeoff was 13 months of extended UI benefits, which is stimulative to the economy and which makes a huge difference to the long-term unemployed. Still, I hate that the tax cuts were extended to 2012.

Wars? Going back to the campaign promises, which were also part of the overall Democratic platform. I see where he promised to ramp up Afghanistan, hunt down Bin Laden, and end Iraq (Also see this WaPo article with specific numbers. All but 147 out of Iraq by 12/31 unless Iraq requests otherwise). Check, check and check. And now, just as was promised when he agreed to the troop surge, those troops are being drawn down and the transition to Afghan control planned by 2014. Am I happy that we have a presence in Afghanistan? Hell, no. Do I think he’s doing the best he can to unwind that presence responsibly? Yes, I think I do.

Libya? Hate that we have any involvement, like that NATO is lead on it, hate Gaddafi with a passion and have for years, hope that it ends soon. I’m not sure there is a graceful way to decline to participate in a NATO action, nor do I have all of the information at my fingertips to know what led to the decision, but honestly, I wish it would have been a different one.

I could go on and on with this list, but you get the idea. We liberals seem to warm to oppositional positioning and it would appear that we’re not altogether comfortable with having our guy in the Oval office. So when he doesn’t do things exactly the way we think they should be done, the circular firing squad lines up and takes full aim at our side. It happens with every single issue. Forget the fact that we didn’t have the votes in Congress, he should’ve used his bully pulpit! Forget the fact that we have a 100% dysfunctional opposition party; he should just steamroll them and get what he wants however he wants. Like magic, that.

It amazes me — truly amazes me — that we’re having debates about how this president isn’t liberal enough while Republicans are planning to let the economy go to hell in a handbasket by playing chicken with the debt ceiling. You’d think there would be plenty to criticize with that. You’d think watching them walk away from budget negotiations not because they’re not getting the spending cuts they want, but because Democrats won’t take tax cuts off the table would offer a clue as to who the real enemy is.

But no. I know people — good, honest, well-meaning, passionate, intelligent people — who will call you a fascist for suggesting that maybe on a political level it’s a bad idea to take aim at our own when we have so many who stand between us and our aspirations. When corporations and Republicans are colluding to keep the economy stagnant, we have bigger problems than Guantanamo Bay, and it’s really time to quit the self-indulgence and get a clue on that.

Whenever I counter self-immolating arguments with a reminder that President Pawlenty or President Bachmann will surely bow in lockstep to our heart’s desire, scoffs follow, with yet another accusation of Obotics afoot.

To which I reply: If you are really blind enough not to realize that there is a very real possibility that a GOP victory in 2012 could happen, and if 2010 midterms were not enough to convince you, then please, do continue on but understand this about me: You will not convince me, nor will I join the chorus. To do so truly would be robotic behavior, akin to following an online gangbang on a hedonistic and self-destructive pathway to hell on earth for 8 years or so. I refer anyone who might take issue with this pronouncement to have a look at what Republican governors are doing in Ohio, Wisconsin, New Jersey and Florida. If you remain unconvinced that such goings-on could be a reality in 2013, look again. Harder. I decline to choose that road.

Like it or not, this guy in the White House right now is the best hope you’ve got. You can batter him or you can back him. I choose the latter. That isn’t OBotic. It’s simply reality.

I’m done apologizing for my support for this President, who has worked hard since the day he took office, done his best, isn’t a slacker, and can’t please everyone. I support him unapologetically and wholeheartedly. That’s my right, just as it is the right of others not to. I respect that right, but will no longer waste time or give attention to self-indulgent complaints. It’s time to be strategic rather than spewing scattershot criticism. If you can’t do that, then really, I’m probably not going to help your cause anyway because I will assume your goal is to elect a Republican, and I will oppose you with all the might I can muster.

We have a Senate at risk, a House that’s winnable, and a President who is strong against the current Republican field. I’m aiming for the big battles, which are with Republicans, not those to the left of me.

Now excuse me while I go make a donation and buy the T-shirt. I’ll see the circular shooters on the other side, hopefully after another win.

“…don’t hurt your human…”

  • http://twitter.com/allanbrauer allanbrauer

    Karoli, take a bow. Brava! I wouldn’t change a word. 

  • http://twitter.com/ReasonVsFear Leesa Brown

    Karoli, this deserves a standing ovation!  :) You speak for me, and rather eloquently, I might add!

  • http://twitter.com/ReasonVsFear Leesa Brown

    Oh yeah – like I said to Shoq yesterday – I still don’t understand how a Republican President who moves us BACKWARDS is somehow preferable to one who doesn’t move us forward “fast enough”. What does “fast enough” mean, anyway, if you’re connected to reality? Anybody who has dealt with any form of bureaucracy knows that red tape and legalities make any kind of progress very slow… but put that on a national level, and the timing becomes glacial. If it were easy to get things done, imagine what this country would have looked like after eight years of Bush (or don’t, if you like sleeping at night).

    I still don’t understand the noise from the far left, but I have to admit – I wonder how many of the loudest ones are actually Republican operatives, egging them on… do we really think the GOP wouldn’t stoop that low? Especially after finding out that they’re using fake Democratic plants in the recall elections?

    Honestly, I think there are some out there who just hate government, or hate authority in any form. And then there are those who will kick their own party leader in the shins just to prove that they’re not “sycophants”. Not me. I have nothing to prove. I can disagree, but I’ll do it in a respectful way, thank you. He’s EARNED that.

  • http://www.leosoderman.com Leo Soderman

    Brilliant. Simply brilliant.

    Far too many want to ignore the realities of governance because they haven’t gotten {fill in the cause here}.

    We didn’t elect a king. We elected a President. He can’t change things by fiat. He has to work through a Congress that is less than helpful, and resistance from his own party is part of that.

    I frankly don’t see where things could have been done faster. But that won’t deter those who can’t see the forest for the tress.

  • http://twitter.com/williams1977 Denise Williams

    Thank you for this, Karoli :-)

  • http://extremeliberal.wordpress.com/ Extreme Liberal

    Hell yes, Karoli. Best post I’ve read in a very long time. Bravo! I will share widely, thank you so much. You are a national treasure, don’t ever change. :)

  • http://www.carter-coffman.net/i-had-a-point/ iHadapoint

    Thank you for articulating what so many of us feel.

  • Anonymous

    Woooo-sahhhhhhhhh Thank you ma’am

  • http://3chicspolitico.com/ Ametia

    BRILLIANT!  Thank YOU, KAROLI.

  • http://www.politicalruminations.com nicole473

    THANK YOU, Karoli!! 

  • http://twitter.com/BlueTrooth Rich Baska

    Well said!

  • David McGhee

    Well written article and you’re  a person I could disagree with, and I do on some things, but still respect. My problem is with those who only tell those of us with legitimate complaints to shut up or choose to use fear to get us to comply. If you don’t vote for a Democrat the sky will fall. Really? With the current crop of weak Democrats why should I be inspired to support them? I have no plans to ever vote for this current lunatic fringe of Republicans, but I’m tired of the old lesser of two evils argument. There has to be a better way and I for one plan on pushing this President to do better.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TMNLQEFW4DLIBS5V6CFU6DOVW4 bmull

    Those criticizing the President have specific demands. It’s not “self-indulgent.” It’s not “scattershot criticism.” The goal is not to elect a Republican. The goal is to do as much good as possible before the Republicans retake control. There is a strategic disagreement as to how to do that, of course, with some saying the time is not right to be making demands. But if there’s anything we learned from the 111th Congress, the time is never right.

  • http://3chicspolitico.com/ SouthernGirl2

    Church!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    Tired or not of the argument, it’s the one that applies right now. I should probably couple this post with another one that discusses how absolutely critical it is that we get busy at the city, county and state level, because that’s a real battleground too. The fact is that a President can lead, throw tantrums, kick, scream, have hissy fits or go quietly into the night, but without a Congress that actually has his back, we’re aiming at the wrong guy. 

    I remember the Clinton administration with a pretty clear head, and we had a couple of problems back then. One, he had glaring character flaws that made him vulnerable to attack by the right and weakened his ability to lead on the left. And two, he never had the kind of Congressional majority to get anything done. So he found ways to get little parts done, to clean up messes, and turn things around for awhile. Now we’ve got a guy without those character flaws; in fact, he’s so squeaky clean the right wing has to make stuff up about him to try and scare people. But he still doesn’t have the kind of Congress that would actually be able to get things done the way you (and I) would like to see them done.In other cases, reporting on what has actually taken place has been abysmal. Guantanamo is a perfect example of that. If there were even a small measure of justice, we’d have taken every congressional dem who voted to withhold funds for closure out to the woodshed and whupped ‘em. Instead Obama got to take the hit for it. 

    The right understands the value of pushing from the bottom up. They’re not wasting time recruiting candidates to run for local school boards, state office, county office, whatever they can find where they can put their person in power. We’ve got to quit looking at the President as the primary target. Van Jones is doing a great job of making that message with his American Dream movement effort. It’s what needs to happen.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    Tired or not of the argument, it’s the one that applies right now. I should probably couple this post with another one that discusses how absolutely critical it is that we get busy at the city, county and state level, because that’s a real battleground too. The fact is that a President can lead, throw tantrums, kick, scream, have hissy fits or go quietly into the night, but without a Congress that actually has his back, we’re aiming at the wrong guy. 

    I remember the Clinton administration with a pretty clear head, and we had a couple of problems back then. One, he had glaring character flaws that made him vulnerable to attack by the right and weakened his ability to lead on the left. And two, he never had the kind of Congressional majority to get anything done. So he found ways to get little parts done, to clean up messes, and turn things around for awhile. Now we’ve got a guy without those character flaws; in fact, he’s so squeaky clean the right wing has to make stuff up about him to try and scare people. But he still doesn’t have the kind of Congress that would actually be able to get things done the way you (and I) would like to see them done.In other cases, reporting on what has actually taken place has been abysmal. Guantanamo is a perfect example of that. If there were even a small measure of justice, we’d have taken every congressional dem who voted to withhold funds for closure out to the woodshed and whupped ‘em. Instead Obama got to take the hit for it. 

    The right understands the value of pushing from the bottom up. They’re not wasting time recruiting candidates to run for local school boards, state office, county office, whatever they can find where they can put their person in power. We’ve got to quit looking at the President as the primary target. Van Jones is doing a great job of making that message with his American Dream movement effort. It’s what needs to happen.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    The problem is…they’re aiming at the wrong target. Aim at the Congress. Aim at the media. Aim at the administration for their crappy messaging at certain times. But the 111th Congress got more done in two years than Dems had managed in ten years, and it’s still never enough.

  • http://twitter.com/taiping2 Tracy Thompson

    Thanks for such an eloquent statement of why we need to come together and focus on the real issues. At a time when the GOP is sabotaging the economy, obstructing most nominees so that it’s harder to plan and execute policy, and blocking/undermining all initiatives such as health care, EPA, consumer protection, FDA, we all need to point out the GOP perfidy to neighbors, voters, non-political junkees. Register new voters, inspire old voters. Reagan and Bush should be constant reminders of what can happen when we stop fighting. Nothing in democracy is forever and power never ever gives up without a struggle. The GOP keeps chipping away at our rights. I also suspect that many of the Obama bashers are actually GOP moles.

  • http://www.angryblacklady.com/ Angry Black Lady (also STM)

    ::wild applause::

  • PollyinAK

    Being president sure is a thankless job. 

  • http://twitter.com/grngeekgirl Miss Susie

    That depends on what you mean by “got done.”  Sure, stuff was passed that had slightly more liberal leanings than before–watered down by Republican demands for “equal” consideration, of course–but it wasn’t anything like what the Democrats–the ones who were running on the back of President Obama’s platform, let’s not forget–promised us.  It starts at the top with leadership.  We’ve got a lack of strong progressive leadership and that lack is filtering down.  We certainly can and should call them out on this.  It’s not even about what they have managed to get through and what they haven’t–it’s how they’re reacting to tough situations, which is to lie down in the road and get run over rather than stand up for themselves and for us.  Thanks to this, what they’re passing is rarely significant considering the challenges that we’re facing and sometimes compromised with another law that would actually hurt us, with few exceptions (such as repealing DADT).  Like, they compromised to get unemployment benefits extended, but to do so, they also had to extend the Bush tax cuts, which are crippling us economically–I feel that the Democrats could have gotten quite a lot more than unemployment extension, which I think the Republicans probably would have gone for anyway, unless they don’t have any unemployed people in their districts (heh).  That’s not wise in a recession that we haven’t yet overcome and it’s not strong leadership to give into something so major.  They’re so quick to compromise that they don’t even always get anything in return.  Who sets the tone for that? President Obama.
    The largest and most significant problem that this Administration has tried to tackle thus far has been health care reform, and not only did they bend over backwards to accommodate The Industry–the reason we need reform in the first place–but their priorities are clearly out of order overall here.  The only thing that people are concerned about right now is the economy.  The man who was president when they brought down Osama Bin Laden may not win in 2012 because of the economy, and this is significant, because he should be a shoo-in on that alone.  People need to go back to work, yet all of this time was wasted on bogus health care reform that gave the industry more power to overcharge us for care and drugs because the lobbyist interests clearly trump those of the American people.People need to go back to work–this is a real complaint, one that I don’t think is self-indulgent.  It needs to be directed at Congress AND at the President, who needs to be a strong leader right now.  If he can get that done? He’s golden to get re-elected.  THEN he can worry about Guantanamo.  THEN he can worry about other things.Now, regardless, I’m not going to campaign against him, and I’m certainly going to vote for him, unless by some miracle the GOP candidate turns out to be a progressive (fat chance).  I don’t think intending to vote for him means that we have to stand and rah-rah for Obama if he’s not doing what he needs to be doing, though.  He needs to know that there are strong conditions if he wants our support–otherwise, what’s to keep him from becoming just like the Republicans? “Meh, I’ll do what I want, they’ll just vote for me anyway.”  I don’t just hand my support out, it must be earned.

  • Mackld

    I so agree with everything you wrote!  Where IS the rage against what the GOP is doing? Think about this, we have the teaparty, unprecedented filibusters, Citizens United, Carl Rove’s group, November 2010, economy slowing and not 1 jobs bills from GOP since January,  debt ceiling vote, the Ryan plan, Breitbart strategically changing the subject when needed, and corporations refusing to hire and hording all of their profits unless they have no regulations or taxes. They also have convinced a large number of people that we are heading for a depression even though we are not. To me this shows a well thought out plan that is being executed to get rid of this President and turn his base against him to help them do it. You heard what Gingrich said this week. With all of this, why does anyone think that one man, even though he’s President, can win against this entrenched, greedy machine? Since he took office we have not shown the amount of support he has and republicans have only gotten bolder. Where were we when the votes were being made for the stimulus bill, healthcare, unemployment insurance, and the debt ceiling vote? Lots of us were/are complaining and/or making threats from home not making republicans help get America back on track. If we are in such dire straits why are they still playing politics instead of  working on solutions that most Americans could support? Do not allow them to use us against our own interests like they’ve convinced the teaparty to do.

  • Mackld

    No one is saying don’t criticize or shut up, we’re saying that every issue that comes up is not a do or die situation and there are ways to convey your disappointment or disagreement in a constructive way that doesn’t help the other side turn more voters against him or 2012 could turn out to be just like last November.

  • Dorothy Rissman

    Karoli, I just saw your piece on The Angriest Liberal.  Spot on piece by you.  I am pretty much in agreement with  most of what you said.  It is always a bumpy road we travel in following a president through his term(s).

    I get very angry when I hear other progressives scream and rant about what a loser Obama is.  I am so happy that there are now so many sites that support the president and understand that the president is not perfect, but we do not curse him and swear that he is the worst president ever. 

    I will bookmark your site.  Thank you.  dr

  • Dorothy Rissman

    SouthernGirl, I have not seen you in a while on TPV.  How are you?

  • Dorothy Rissman

    allan is a bit of a hero for me, so  thank you allan.

  • Dorothy Rissman

    Ameita, I have to say hello.  dr

  • http://3chicspolitico.com/ Ametia

    Hi ya, Dorothy! :-)

  • http://bigbeachbums.blogspot.com/ Beachbum

    Korali, you know I agree with you 100 percent; no there is no other shoe dropping. It is just my way of making sure that anything I have to say will be seen through that light. It expresses what is first and foremost in our literary relationship. I express myself this way because I realize, as I believe you do too, that our message, our cause is more important than either of our opinions, wants, or preferred ideologies individually. People need to remember this.

    I am a Democrat, a liberal, and I hold very progressive views. Because I am an optimist, I hold out hope for the human race and my country in general; I’m looking to the younger generations specifically. Only, they need to think much deeper before they spout an opinion. They seem to overlook the ramifications of their words as taken in any other context.

    This President, our President, is doing a spectacular job in the current political environment. I don’t think there has ever been so many enemies inside the walls of government in the history of this country, and I’m counting the Civil War. President Obama is my president. This is the only president about which I have ever evinced this view. Even though I have served under several of them. And because of this experience, I understand that being my president is a one way relationship. This means, though he is everyone’s president he is not any one person’s (or organization’s) president. He has a country to administrate. We need to support him by giving him the personnel he needs to combat the Neo-Cons and their dreams of converting our middle class into a serfdom (screw Hayek).

    It seems like they admire some of the more heinous aspects of China’s system. You know, a poor, powerless, over populated peasantry that is too weak to fight when being poisoned, irradiated, or suffering under work environment negligence while working for starvation wages. We are witnessing their agenda at the state level in Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Florida, Texas and Arizona. The corporatists (face it, fascists) want to take away everything from the middle class and give it to the corporations. I think we would all be much better served if we were all agrarian farmers and corporations went the way of the dinosaurs. It works for me.

    People charge him with being a weak president. Where do they think he gets his presidential strength? It comes from us; we are our government and our governments power. When the Neo-Cons say they want to make our government small enough to drown in a tub, it is our ability to regulate and legislate they are wanting to drown; they want to drown a government power of and by the people: us.  We need to empower our president by climbing all over our local and state governments, as well as our congressmen, and women. We need to remind them that we will vote against them for many decades to come if they don’t support a progressive agenda now and in the future.
    This is a beautiful piece, thank you for sharing.

  • http://3chicspolitico.com/ Ametia

    Van Jones was SPOT ON last night.

  • http://feministchristian.wordpress.com/ redheadedfemme

    Oh dear God yes yes yes.

    I am so sick of this anti-Obama bashing. You didn’t mention the fact that he can’t be as outspoken as he’d probably like to because his detractors would immediately slam him with the “Angry Black Man” slur, but I’m sure that plays into things too. 

    I’ve always thought the choice in the upcoming election is maybe being disappointed (with Obama) and letting the country be destroyed (with any Repug). There is a bigger issue here, folks. 

  • ToyotaBedZRock

    “To announce that there should be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American people.”

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  • Miranda

    Thank You!

  • Admiral_Komack

    SWEET!

  • Biznesschic

    Right.  When president Rick Perry forces you to move your grandmother in with you, because he just gutted Social Security, Obama and his family will retire to Hawaii, while he makes millions writing books.  That will show him.  Your vote is for YOUR benefit, not his!

  • Anonymous

    Tell the truth and shame the devil.  Great post.

  • Anonymous

    thank you Karolyi for this wonderful write up.

    Your analysis is spot on.

    I truly cannot make sense of all these idiots bashing President Obama on the left. It is absolutely crazy, self-defeating and somehow just masochistic beyond words.

    I keep wondering just what do they believe they are going to get with a President Perry or President Bachmann as well.

    Democracy demands compromise. But today’s political culture disdains compromise as weakness. Instead it glorifies the heroic individual, standing against all odds and holding fast to principle, when the principle is batshytcrazy ‘values’.

    Somehow, it is now superb leadership to be the enemy of the good, by demanding perfect.  Let the house burn down because you couldn’t use potty when you wanted.  geez

    Nothing gets done because you don’t like it if it can’t be all your way.

    sigh….we learned these lessons on the playground….the kid who takes his bat and ball and goes home cause the players refuse to let him cheat….

    That kid was a loser and grew up to be a bully tyrant always trying to beat others down and that is the GOP today.

    Folks need to wake up and sweep in a Democratic Congress AND Senate in order to push back on all this uncivilized hate seeking to keep Americans poor and destroying the middle class.

    The GOP is hell bent on fundamentally transforming the country I love.  Americans born poor will live and die poor. They are destroying the American Dream!!

    Not having it.

    Support Obama and take back the American Dream.

  • Anonymous

    Who made any such announcement.
    Please reread until you comprehend what was written.

  • notthistime

    Brilliant.  Thank you Karoli.

    Eyes on the prize.

  • http://twitter.com/AngryVoters John H Kennedy

    Believe that quote was by Pres. Teddy Roosevelt

  • Anonymous

    Those of us whose political convictions didn’t change when Obama became President have to keep something in mind when we hear the most avid Obama devotees practicing their rhetorical strategy. When they say “I’m not opposed to (whatever), but you should get out there and do something about it”,  they’re either not telling the truth, and really are opposed to it, or they aren’t opposed to it, but just don’t care enough about it to say “we”. The latter case is probably more likely, because they tend to care about what Obama seems to care about, and tend not to care about what he doesn’t seem to care about…at any given point in time.

  • Anonymous

    “Angry Black Man”? First of all, it’s not as if they aren’t already slamming him for that. Secondly, the best way to put the idea that a black man who acts as aggressively to achieve his goals as a white man is some kind of scary monster is for that black man to not be inhibited by the fear of being seen as an “Angry Black Man”, and show people that the sky won’t fall as a result.

  • Anonymous

    I was saying that this write up is no  such announcement, who quoted it originally was not being asked.

  • RobM

    One of the things you miss is that the American Taliban isn’t the only one backing the transnational corporations. You only need to see that Jeff Immelt is on 44′s committee for job creation while shipping jobs overseas or that not a single bank regulation for Dodd Frank has been written. further it is not honest to say many liberals(I am pleased you use that word) engage in a circular firing squad. Much of what you call the circular firing squad is a reaction to the way 44 goes after negotiating his accomplishments. As you point out getting 13 weeks is big but if the states don’t recognize or chose to change the way they are given we would definitely be better off revenue and deficit wise because of the additional revenue.  The potential outcry may have lead to further outrage against the American Taliban IF 44 chose to open his mouth and point out the fact that American Taliban governors who only cut taxes in their states are now worse off and have lower job creation. In those states w/ Taliban governors such as Ohio and Michigan which have had job growth 44 could point out this is a result of the best thing he did which was to use TARP money to finance the reorganization of GM and Chrysler.
    In short the results do not match the work he puts in.

  • Chrysrosen

    Excellent.  I so agree with you.

  • Dumdittydum

    We need to break up the two party thinking in this country that keeps giving us the same results. Dems and Repubs are corporate whores. Vote third party!

  • http://feministchristian.wordpress.com/ redheadedfemme

    Sure, you can do that…if you feel like stamping your feet and throwing a fit.

    That’s about all a third-party vote is worth. 

    As a matter of fact, the last major third-party candidate (Ralph Nader in 2000) may very well have sucked votes away from Al Gore in Florida and sent this country down the terrible road it’s on. 

    I for one would not want to wonder if I was partly responsible for Bush’s slashing-and-burning…or any Republican’s. 

  • http://feministchristian.wordpress.com/ redheadedfemme

    I didn’t approve it. I’m saying that might be the way Obama looks at things, and possibly that’s why he does some of the things he does. 

    Sure, you might say he’s wrong, but maybe he thinks he has reason to be that way. His opinion is important, not yours or mine. 

  • Anonymous

    we do not need another party.

    We need to break up the party system completely.

    We do not want anymore politicians that uphold party interests over state, local or national committment.

  • Anonymous

    No, you didn’t say that’s the way he might look at things. You stated as a fact that he can’t be outspoken. That’s not a fact- that’s your belief.

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