Rick Warren, What Were You Thinking? – UPDATED

by Karoli on July 26, 2011 · 94 comments

This tweet is appalling. Odious. Have you fallen down the rabbit hole so far you have forgotten Matthew 25:31-46? Here, let me quote it for you, and for readers who may not be familiar with it:

From the New International Version:


31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Debunkery

Let’s get this out of the way first: What you said is untrue. Had you said 50% don’t pay income tax, you’d have at least been partly right, because tax preferences currently benefit lower and middle class taxpayers to some extent via the EIC, the child care credit, and other tax subsidies.

But to say they don’t pay taxes? That’s flatly untrue. Everyone who drives a car pays taxes when they fill up their tank. Everyone who buys toilet paper pays sales taxes here in California. Everyone who works has FICA/FUTA taxes withheld and paid. Everyone. Rich, poor, or middle. And as a percentage of income, those taxes are a whole lot more than the ones you defend as “already paying taxes”, especially when the taxes they do pay means they have to ration meals, or medications, or go without in order to feed their children.

Here’s a partial list of entities who paid no taxes. This is who you defend: General Electric, Bank of America, Boeing, Wells Fargo Bank, Goldman Sachs, Exxon-Mobil, Koch Industries, BP, and more. And for that privilege, some outsourced jobs to other countries, others just downsized, and still others decided they’d overwork their younger employees and let the older ones go while they still could.

Here’s someone else you’re defending: Hedge fund managers who bet that this country will go into default and arrange to make some money from that. Did you know they flow through income to themselves as capital gains at a 15% rate, which is lower than a married self-employed person who owns a home making $80,000 per year makes?

Did you mean to do that?

…the least of these…

Irreconcilable Differences

A visit to Pastors.com, Mr. Warren, speaks quite differently from your twitter stream, although I note there are other voices besides yours, and yours tends to put that formulaic spin on otherwise dry topics that have little to do with people and more to do with organizations. Still, since you are associated with the site, could you please tell me how you reconcile a post entitled “The Jesus Model of Ministry” with that tweet? Or perhaps you should give a bit more attention to this sermon series promoted on the Saddleback site about making changes in a Jesus-like fashion?

Or maybe you should just watch Lawrence O’Donnell explain what Jesus might do or say with regard to our country’s current attitude toward those struggling day-to-day.

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The good news? Grace is yours to claim, but first I’d hope you would choose to confess to those you hurt and ask their forgiveness. It’s the Christian thing to do.

Update

This morning, I received this tweet from Mr. Warren and noticed a few more in his timeline that appeared to show a change of heart. I appreciate the acknowledgement, and hope that Mr. Warren will rethink his views on those who are less privileged in the US.

  • Anonymous

    Well said, wise one.

  • tchriste52

    Very well said.

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  • http://twitter.com/lindberg49 Gary York

    You couldn’t have used more grace in communicating these words.  I for one appreciate it.  @lindberg49:disqus 

  • http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Arel Harry R. Sohl

    I really do appreciate the argument, but you went 1/2-step too far.  All those companies also pay sales taxes for supplies, gas, electric, and their share of FICA/FUTA on employees – they are only not paying the federal corporate income tax.

    ~ Harry R. Sohl

  • Wesinoregon

    His church pays no tax either. 

  • Rotobabe

    Not to mention the fact that Saddleback Church doesn’t pay any taxes.

  • DutchButch

    You know who doesn’t pay taxes? Rick Warren’s church.
    How about we start taxing churches – I think Jezus would agree.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Karen-Husted/1368622318 Karen Husted

    What an idiot.

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  • http://twitter.com/lindberg49 Gary York

    Interesting comments after the fact.  Yes, they are acknowledged, but is he more likely trying to passify things after the storm despite his cultural beliefs? He is still going to continue his push for those folks to win the election, so how much regret does he REALLY have.

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  • Captainkangaroo

    With a tweet like this it surely shows Warren is a fraud, a tool and incredibly ignorant. Now he thinks id sounded mean. What he still fails to understand is that he has it wrong. Absolutely wrong. When he says half of America pays NO (emphasis his!) taxes he is wrong. Everybody pays taxes. Sales tax, liquor tax, excise taxes, airlines taxes, airport taxes… here is a list Accounts Receivable Tax
    Building Permit Tax
    Capital Gains Tax
    CDL License Tax
    Cigarette Tax
    Corporate Income Tax
    Court Fines (indirect taxes)
    Dog License Tax
    Federal Income Tax
    Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
    Fishing License Tax
    Food License Tax
    Fuel Permit Tax
    Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
    Hunting License Tax
    Inheritance Tax
    Interest Expense (tax on the money)
    Inventory Tax I
    RS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
    IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
    Liquor Tax
    Local Income Tax
    Luxury Taxes
    Marriage License Tax
    Medicare Tax
    Property Tax
    Real Estate Tax
    Recreational Vehicle Tax
    Road Toll Booth Taxes
    Road Usage Taxes (truckers)
    Sales Taxes
    School Tax
    Septic Permit Tax
    Service Charge Taxes
    Social Security Tax
    State Income Tax
    State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
    Telephone Federal Excise Tax
    Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
    Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
    Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
    Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
    Telephone State and Local Tax
    Telephone Usage Charge Tax
    Toll Bridge Taxes Toll
    Tunnel Taxes
    Trailer Registration
    Tax Utility Taxes
    Vehicle License Registration Tax
    Vehicle Sales Tax
    Watercraft Registration Tax
    Well Permit Tax
    Workers’ Compensation Tax

  • WC Green

    For any thing they resale, they do not pay sales tax. They can also deduct sales tax which you and I can’t,  in most cases. They collect taxes for the various reporting agencies. BTW, I am an accountant and I always show the cost of hiring someone which includes all the tax that are paid and that can be used as a tax deduction from corporate taxes…

  • Concerned

    Hmm. I’m not sure what’s worse.  Rick Warren making one tweet (which by the way does not mention which half doesn’t pay taxes – rich or poor).. or making multiple accusatory tweets and a blog post on it.

  • http://www.politicalruminations.com nicole473

    Beautifully said, karoli. You are an inspiration.

  • http://www.KristenEmery.com Kristen Emery

    Karoli,
    Thank you for the well written response to Rick Warren’s thoughtless tweet.  One other aspect that I would like to add, is that the taxes that the poor and middle class pay such as sales tax, fuel taxes are considered regressive.  Regressive taxes are measured as a percentage of income.  That is one of the reasons that the income taxes are increased as your income increases (supposedly).  

    And let’s not forget what Jesus said from Matthew 19:24:

    Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”

  • http://www.politicalruminations.com nicole473

    I’ll be more than happy to tell you which is “worst” [sic].

    What is worse is that a so-called “man of God” feels it necessary to condemn poor people  for their inability to afford income taxes. People who are most loved by Jesus Christ. Who exactly does Rick Warren serve?

    Pastor Warren is a perfect example of why I, and so many others, have become atheists.

  • http://twitter.com/BlueTrooth Rich Baska

    I’m a spiritual person. Rick Warren provides a good example of why I have no use for these “Churches”. Based on the teachings, as I’ve grown to interpret them, Warren should be focused on providing comfort and strength to the “untaxed” among us. But those “greedy” folks can’t afford to buy books, tapes or mp3s from his resource center. Nor would they have the income to afford a reasonable offering to his Church, Inc. No, Warren has no use for the tired, the poor or the hungry that are so obsessed with jealousy and corrupted by greed that they would laugh all the way to the poorhouse just to make the wealthy pay a few more bucks in taxes. I’ve read his timeline, his focus is clear. He has some Jesus to sell ya if ya got a wallet full of cash.

    By the way, why would he want to set his Laser printer on stun?

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  • http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Arel Harry R. Sohl

    “I realize I haven’t been listening”.

    Oh, you’ve listened perfectly…

    …Pastor Rick, always standing up for the powerful and the rich against the poor and downtrodden.

    Remember McCain stating to him that to “be rich” it takes $5,000,001 a year in income (not assets!) and Lil’ Ricki giggled like the (other) fat schoolgirl in Hairspray? Forgive her, lord. She’s just a tool.

    ~ Harry R. Sohl

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  • Consumer Unit 5012

    Hmph.  He didn’t apologize for being WRONG, just for “sounding mean”.  

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    True. He didn’t, which is why I didn’t characterize it as an apology.

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  • Lysandra

    Taxing churches would be counter-productive. Non-profit status for churches provides legal protections keeping churches from influencing politics too much (when enforced correctly, which they haven’t always been, I concede). Organizations like The Family already have WAY too much political power as it is. Imagine what kind of political power they would wield if they stopped having to at least pretend that they were acting within ethical and legal boundaries.

    Taking away the non-profit status of churches would probably usher in the theocracy that so many fundies want.

  • http://destroyideas.blogspot.com destroyideas

    Don’t forget that Jesus also endorsed taxation when he said “give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.” Rush says, “Nothing!” but Jesus disagrees. 

  • The Albino

    I’m assuming that as a church, Pastor Rick is not paying taxes either ……..

  • Rick

    Showing his true colors as a BIGOT!

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  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    great question…re [printer on stun]. Didn’t get that either. :D

  • Shandalandis

    over 300,000 are following a guy who says, ‘whenever I think I have it right, I realize I haven’t been listening’  How much of his ministry is based on not listening?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Brian-Lesh/1658371667 Brian Lesh

    think about all the money every church in the country saves with non profit exclusion from property taxes. that alone would be a hefty sum. think of the large churches in city centers, sitting on a big ol’ plot of land, never having to pay a dollar to the gov’t while every building around them pays more and more every year. food for thought.

  • http://realrellim.wordpress.com/ realrellim

    Awesome.  Thank you.

  • Terrence Robinson81

    Why blame someone for your lack of belief in God? We are all human beings and fall short everyday…..God loves you and wants you walk and learn with him

    He who ia without sin cast the first stone……a lot of stones being thrown right now….

  • Anonymous

    No offense, but why do people think that a person who claims to know God better than they, and presumes to influence them in their spiritual matters, has pure motives? The Catholic Church, for instance, burned people at the stake for possessing a bible in their own language. It’s always been about power and control (and of course, money). It seems to me Christian ethics is in conflict with it’s dogma.

  • Signl

    Rick Warren has not change his position at all, he’s just deflecting. He never said he was wrong, he only saying he should have the same thing in a different way.

  • Anonymous

    “Half of America pays no income taxes and the other half does pay income taxes.” Pastor Warren’s statement is correct with those two changes.  In today’s culture it is not politically correct to speak that truth, I gather. Political correctness is sometimes good and sometimes a weed choking off freedom of speech.  

  • http://twitter.com/DrLearnALot Jeanette

    The actions of greedy televangelists seem to be evidence of their lack of faith in the teachings of Jesus.  We should point out that they must not really believe what they preach, or they would know that under his rules, they are going straight to hell.

  • Jenzinoh

    Actually, I think you still need to add the word Federal before income.  They still pay state and local income taxes.

  • Jenzinoh

    well, the anti-gay stuff for sure

  • Jenzinoh

    simple answer…. ignorance uncontested is always worse than truth.  What Pastor Warren said was ignorant.  To allow it to stand is to allow the ignorance to spread.

    We already have enough of that.

    Try mentioning this meme (that half pay no taxes) in a group of people and see how many people agree with the statement.  It is frightening the subtleties of the class warfare being waged and won by the rich on the poor.

  • Jethro Taylor

    ‘Casting the first stone’ is not the same as opposing evil. We should be shocked and dismayed by demonstrations of calloused heartlessness by people such as Warren, and we should call them out for it.

    Ultimately, it will be up to God to judge Rick Warren for his life’s choices- but when someone claiming to represent a large portion of Christ’s followers makes such foolish statements, he should be harshly criticised for them.

  • Kerry LINY

    Wow. Thank you @Karoli. When folks get stuck on Fox and the one-sided brainwashing sometimes they lose the truth and the perspectives. Fox whips up support for ideology for power and profit using appeals to human emotions of divisiveness, otherness, and hatred.

  • Anonymous

    Good for you! We Christians can sound heartless sometimes especially when veer wrong away from what we are charged to do.  Jesus was emphatic about how we are responsible to and for each other or in essence how we should treat and care for each other. 

    The story of the Samaritan is another example of how to care for treat someone.  We are supposed to treat everyone as we treat ourselves. I think we would be far stronger as a people regardless as to our religious beliefs if we treated each other as we would like to be treated bounded by our humanity and making the things we differ on irrelevant.

    You did good work.

  • mark

    Rick Warren gives 90 percent of his income to charity moron.But if course socialists just tell wealthy people that worked for it to do all the giving while not doing so themselves as usual.

  • WO4TG

    So, if you’re posting a biblical quotation relating to individual responsibility to charity, it’s safe to say that you donate a substantial portion of your income to the poor, right?

    BTW, I’m talking money voluntarily donated by you, not taxes forcefully taken from you.

  • M C Finley

    Matthew 25:31-46 has nothing to do with taxes. A tax is money taken from you by the government. Paying taxes have nothing to do with the individual’s personal responsibility to tend to the deservedly needy.
    If Jesus would have advocated paying higher taxes, to meet your spirtiual obligations, he would have been in very good standing with the Romans.

  • NeighborJack

    Little Ricky lives in a predominately republican community (south Orange County) and heads an empire with predominately conservative members and supporters  (many of which are my neighbors). He has managed to stash many millions of dollars into unused or barely used commercial and other properties throughout the community (look it up). He likes to tell everyone he takes little or no salary, but if you truly believe this is the whole story, you are uniformed and naive. His books and products produce millions of dollars of tax free cash flow with which he employs an army of minions to distribute to ’causes’ he deems worthy through a network of other “non-profit” organizations he controls (look it up). His admittedly ‘mean’ comment was simply dog-whistle code to let his followers/supporters/donors know he’s still on the right team. For him to express a more progressive opinion on taxation (if he had one) would almost certainly offend his biggest donors and cost him dearly. He is not stupid, he knows who he serves.

  • guest

    That is utter BS….Israel was a conquered nation under Roman Rule. Their money had been replaced by Roman money and an imperial tax put on them. Jesus was not endorsing taxation…how dumb can you be? Are we, the USA,  under a foreign ruler?  Whose picture is on our money, George Washington, Lincoln, etc., or some foreign ruler? You liberals, spewing your BS when you don’t even know the historical perspective. I have news for you – CAESAR IS DEAD….it amazes me you liberals like to use the Bible when they think it suits their opinion (and usually, like in this case, they are wrong about that), but when it teaches something different that your warped views (as with homosexuality) it’s to be ignored….or 2 Thessalonians 3:6-10… In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers and
    sisters, to keep away from every believer who is idle and disruptive and
    does not live according to the teaching[a] you received from us. 7 For you yourselves know how you ought to follow our example. We were not idle when we were with you, 8
    nor did we eat anyone’s food without paying for it. On the contrary, we
    worked night and day, laboring and toiling so that we would not be a
    burden to any of you. 9 We did this, not because we do not have the right to such help, but in order to offer ourselves as a model for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we gave you this rule: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat.” Now talk to me about safety nets, food stamps and welfare……

  • mcarlson

    You might want to reread that passage about “those that don’t work, shouldn’t eat..” because it’s referring to the those within the body of Christ, to churches that were holding things in community, NOT to those outside the church.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_PNHZ37G2ERNIZVLH3YJPS2ER3M chuckles88

    The Bible was referring to God’s people, not government. If a hungry person comes to you, God wants the CHURCH to feed them, not point the way to the food stamp office. Taxes are just theft. If taxes got you to heaven, then only the rich would go. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_HGMZ6PZ2IXJHTE3XLXQIC22OMM Richard

    Let me see if I have this right:  you are praising Warren for the courage to speak to truth on the basis that, even though what he actually said was a lie, if we change what he actually said to something that he did not actually say, than this thing that he did not actually say would be true.  Very brave of him! 

    This is risible, even before we get to his lie being a vicious one against the weakest members of society (which apparently passes for Christ-like behavior in some circles) while the true statement he did not in fact make would merely be misleading (since the exact form of taxes paid is irrelevant) while still being an attack on the weak.

  • Anonymous

    Hunger is growing in U.S.  Homeless among children is growing.  Food pantries are coming up short.  Joblessness is stretching from months into years. We’ve heard for years that this is the church’s problem, not government.  Where are the churches, then?  Fix it. 

  • Joking5557

      Who will decide how much to pay according to mathew 25? The professional politicians?
      You state that the poor like me pay taxes at the pump and then you assert that exxon 
    doesn’t pay taxes . You are correct , BOA ,EXXON ,GE  don’t pay taxes the customers do.
        The US gvt sends out 70million checks  each month and what point do you suggest from your scriptures  that the gvt sends out enough?  
      For the first time ever in history , the poor have sega ,microsoft playstations with cable tv air conditioning and don’t have to work anywhere to obtain their benefits. Certain groups of our society after reaching the 12th grade test at only perform at an eight grade level . The KKK could not have done as good a job as the gvt social agencies to destroy the black family.
        So your diatribe is just one of jealousy and not aimed at helping the very people you use to attack the rich.  
        WE spend upwards of  400 to 700 billion on education and of course it is never enough. 
         We hand out food stamps and then have to have a school lunch program because the parents are too sorry to use the food stamps to feed their children. And if you don’t want to tax more for more school lunch programs you are evil and selfish .It is criminal that we encourage parents to not be responsible for their children.
     In San Francsico , the average person that has a job makes 47k a yr. The average city employee retires before he is 60yrs old and their retirement is 77k a yr. The average fireman retires making 105k a yr. So each time i hear about the rich not paying their fair share of taxes 
    i chuckle , because the people that mostly advocate higher taxes are those gvt workers that will benefit the most.
           The more money that gvt spends , the more businesses will fail  and their will be less jobs for the poor to find an entry into the marketplace thereby creating more of a need for gvt services.
      Keep up the good work in using scripture to justify taking money rather than Christians giving out LOVE.  

  • http://twitter.com/sandinbrick Sandy Dover

    That’s why I don’t belong to any organized religion. They should all lose their tax exempt status, always got their noses in Politics. Those poor people did not want to be, he’s fine and dandy with all the money he makes, does he know what hunger is? I doubt it.

  • Lisa

    So Rick Warren isn’t entitled to a political opinion, or feel fustration about how some things are going in the political world?   I am a Christian and I am also fed up for “that half” who get free passes on income tax.  It doesn’t mean I don’t also do my part to assist and minister to those less advantaged, and its not considered hyprocritical as I do my part to help the situation.  Do you?  Everyone has fustrations once in a while, it doesn’t mean we’re bad people, including you.

  • Lisa

    So Rick Warren isn’t entitled to a political opinion, or feel fustration about how some things are going in the political world?   I am a Christian and I am also fed up for “that half” who get free passes on income tax.  It doesn’t mean I don’t also do my part to assist and minister to those less advantaged, and its not considered hyprocritical as I do my part to help the situation.  Do you?  Everyone has fustrations once in a while, it doesn’t mean we’re bad people, including you.

  • Apwriter

    render unto Casear… remember? Jesus didn’t abolish human governance or institutions? 

    PS Taxes=theft? Huh? Police. Fire. The Courts. Do u drive on roads? Cross a bridge? Call 911? My father who was wealthy thought it was his patriotic duty to pay his fair share to a country that afforded him such opportunity and prosperity. Most wealthy patriotic Americans agree that they personally are not paying enough. 

    I apologize for my fellow Christians. Forgive them. They know not what they say or do. 

  • Dseckert

    The average employee is 32 years old. At 60 has that city employee been working for the city for 40 years and had money withheld from there paycheck for 40 years to help pay for that retirement? Not sure where you got the fireman figures but risk your life everyday for years and 105K doesn’t seem unreasonable. So much more wrong with this comment but I think I’ll focus my coments to this one item….

  • Charles

    If you are jealous of the 50% of Americans who don’t pay federal income tax, it is very easy to become one of them.  Just give away enough of your money to drop you down into your desired tax rate, and there you go:  no federal income tax, all your problems are solved, right?

    It’s amazing to me how many people with money aren’t happy until they’re satisfied that everyone else is sufficiently miserable. 

  • DSE

    I’m guessing that still leaves him a few million dollars a year to survive on…..dufus. And, by the way, the corporations in this country privatize profits and socialize losses. With the help of the Repugnatcan party of course… Wealthy people haven’t done this small amount of GIVING since the 1950′s. I’m guessing you must be a multi millionaire because, if not, you’re just hurting yourself with your views….

  • DSE

    Be sure to stone your grand mother if she goes out on the sabath….Not everything in the bible should be taken literally and some things should be thought of as completely ridiculous…..

  • Anonymous

    It’s actually the definition of hypocrisy, but carry on ‘assisting the less advantaged’ while being ‘fed up’ with them.

  • Nanooknw

    If a fireman can retire on 105k a year, that is what he deserves.  The job is not an easy one.
    They risk their lives daily for you and me.  Sometime they end up with injuries and illnesses
    associated with smoke and exposure to smoke and chemicals.
    Get a grip.  They pay into their retirement and they deserve every penny.
    As far as the hated government worker goes.  Since when have we hated teachers and school
    bus drivers.   

  • Petfriendly1

    @mark, the real moron: You really believe that he gives 90% of HIS income to charity? I mean, charities that are not his own… Note that he has his hands in a lot of cookie jars that are set up as “charity.”

  • Anon

    If the church would feed them, then we wouldn’t need the social net provided by the government.  Take a look at history to see the churches getting richer and richer as people starvedand died in the streets.  That pulls down all of society.  The church, unfortunately, DOES just point the way to the food stamp office, if they deign to even lookdown far enough to see the poor struggling to make it to their cathedral door.

  • Newtothis52

    You are fed up with “that half”………Do I assume you mean the Koch brothers, Lisa? Or perhaps BP? How did you like that oil spill? Didn’t impact you? Don’t care? You are foolish…..you are a citizen of this country. You should be incensed that billionaires are allowed their corporate jets, etc.etc. at the expense of seniors and the disadvantaged.
    You define yourself as a christian…..nice try.

  • Anonymous

    He’s not allowed to lie. Lying is not opinion. Please take the time to actually learn what’s going on before you get all up-in-arms and start hurting people.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah. When you Christians stop requiring people to convert to even be considered worthy of your time, muchless your help…Maybe then people would think of the church. 

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  • Anlaho

    You have heard of “Seperation of Church and State”?. Someone that over sees a Mega Church and has influence over a congragation, shouldn’t be talking about government situations to his parish at all. If he wants to talk about government issues, he should give up his tax exemption status.  

  • DustMan

    You do realize that Rick Warren gives away 90% of his income right? That’s no typo. He gives away 9-0. 90%. Thanks for playing though. I have no idea what Warren political leaning are, but chew on this for a while . The most generous people in america are Conservative Christians. They give away a higher percentage of their money and volunteer more of their time than any other group in America. Even if you control of church activity (i.e. take out all the money and volunteer time directly for a church atteneded). They still devote more of their time and money to non-religious nonprofits than any other group in America.

  • Prp40

    Taxes are NOT theft- they are what citizens pay for the benefit of living in a civilized world. Police, firefighters, sanitation, the court system, a competent military, transportation infrastructure, public schools…take these away and you are in a third world country. Contrary to popular(right-wing)belief, it’s NOT your money. Would you eat at a restaurant and ignore the bill? You are an American-don’t ignore the bill! Regarding taxes, Christ said “Render unto Caeser what is Caesar’s…”. As far as the rich going to heaven for paying taxes, just look at the statistics for tax fraud. The IRS knows where to find the cheats and audits them disproportionately.If anything, they may be hellbound for tax crimes!

  • Guest

    One must ask how much “that 10% is” though that he lives on. I can guarantee his “10% income” is not under the poverty level.

    And just how much does Saddleback pay in taxes????

  • Saltforfishes

    Rick Warren’s tweets run from the ridiculous to the, well, additionally ridiculous.  (Would you rather be a mushroom or an oak tree?  Everyone knows mushrooms are left in the dark and fed by horse manure
    :-).  He has tweeted that ‘pretty girls have the worst attitudes–what’s that about in a minister’s life?  Who knows., but apparently it troubles Mr. Warren enought to tweet it.
     
     Warren bragged the ensuing brouhaha over his 50% taxes post brought him 2200 additional ‘followers’ on Twitter, so Romans 8:38 (all things work together for good).  (Including MoosesFamousBBQ and a guy who says he’s the guy your girlfriends WANT to meet). 
     
    I’m not as interested in how much Warren gives away as who GIVES him money – Rupert Murdoch, case in point.  Warren has said he is ‘Murdoch’s Pastor’ and ‘Murdoch published his book’.  Murdoch gave Warren 2 million for his PEACE project.  The problem being secular media is reporting Murdoch is building a porn empire.  This is troubling.  Apparently Warren is more insulated than politicians, because that might have been an election issue for a politician.
     
    When questioned about his words, Warren evades and posts verses from Proverbs, using a version of the Bible that calls people stupid.  He has also posted non-Biblical quotes that calls people stupid.  (I’m still wondering why people buy his book at this point if he’s going to insult potential customers).  He posts that you have to build bridges to reach your enemies, then calls detractors stupid–some bridge.
     
    I think Warren has a David out there who will get his had on the right stone and topple the Illusion-Driven Life Warren has insulated himself with.
     
     
     

  • Guest

    And yet, the amount of Rick Warren’s parsonage allowance caused an act
    to be passed in 2002 that caps that amount to the fair rental value of
    the home.  Of course, he tithes 90% of his income, but the parsonage
    allowance wasn’t included in his income, so there was no reason for him
    to only accept 10% of it.  Even after the act, he is exempt from paying taxes on 100% of the parsonage allowance he is allowed to claim. 
    Imagine having the amount you pay for your mortgage/rent and the cost of
    your utilities excluded from your income.  This is not an insignificant
    tax break.  I believe some people might call it a free pass on that income.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000531796470 Chris Holloway

    You’re an accountant and you claim that you can’t deduct sales taxes? Every single individual who itemizes has the option to deduct sales taxes paid instead of income taxes withheld on the Federal Schedule A. This deduction is extended through 2011 and is most beneficial to those that itemize and live in a State that does not have income tax.

  • Gingerland62

    Jesus said, “watch out for the teachers of the law. They like to walk around in flowing robes and be greeted with respect in the market places and have  the most important seats in temples and places of  honor  at banquets. They devour widow’s houses and for a show make lengthy  prayers.  These men will be punished  severely.” Mark 12:38-40

    A rich man has as much of a chance to get into Heaven as a camel has to get through the eye of a needle.
    Warren is repulsive.  This is the kind of Christianity that makes it embarrassing to say I am Christian.  Gluttony is a deadly sin, whether it is for money or food, he has an issue with both. 

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  • http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Arel Harry R. Sohl

    Well, when you’re rich and powerful, apparently someone else pays for all your meals (ummmm, like lobbyists or visiting Ugandan gay-killing “priests” soliciting “your support” of their ‘freedom-loving” laws?), because it’s abundantly clear this bitch ain’t skipped a single meal in the last few decades.

    Yes, Warren’s practically a pauper.

    Free car?  Free vacations?  Free first-class travel on corporate jets?  Church-paid mortgage?  I wonder if they count “royalties” on her “profit Driven Life” series as “income”, and who actually benefits from it either way?  Her church is a “charity” and we all know rich people need nicer buildings and manicured grounds.  Let me guess, she charges a $1 fee for running the church and donates $0.80? 

    She’s St. Ricki everyone!  She only surrounds herself with hot, hairy, lickable men when on the road – why, that’s just like Jesus!!

    ~ Harry R. Sohl

  • http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Arel Harry R. Sohl

    Prove it.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_J7AHWTSDSFZU533UHVHTFQVZHM Liberty Adamson

    He also tweeted that pretty girls have ugly attitudes.  I wondered why a minister would worry about that!  (someone above said it, but I saw it in his timeline)

  • Laura A Heron

    ‘deservedly needy’ when did jesus check whether he approved of people before he helped them? Mary magdalen was a prostitue, he had dinner with tax collectors, he helped lepers, he didnt say ‘love your deserving neighbour’ only your neighbour.

  • Sarah

    You may be a Christian but you’re not a very good one. How many times is the word ‘poor’ in the bible? How did Jesus treat the poor?

    Did you ever read the bible?

    Jesus would be appaled by people like you. Christian my butt!

  • Sarah

    Pastor Warren’s tweet guarantees he will not make it into heaven. That camel will slide through the eye of a needle first.

    A pastor who disses the poor is like a doctor who hates sick people.

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