On Democrats and “Caving”

by Karoli on September 23, 2011 · 12 comments

Greg Sargent:

My read: Dems think the debt ceiling battle has successfully established them as the reasonable party that’s seeking true balance on fiscal issues, having agreed to so many GOP demands on the spending cut front. Dems also believe the debt ceiling fight established public perceptions of the GOP’s pursuit of endless spending cuts as being fundamentally ideological in nature, and not motivated by a desire to craft sensible policy. Dems also believe — or hope — this impression was solidified by the House GOP’s initial failure to pass a funding bill when conservatives decided it didn’t cut spending enough. The House GOP finally passed a bill after John Boehner strongly rebuked conservatives, telling them that if they didn’t get on board, he would have to move to the left to get Dem support, and Dems hope Boehner’s anger will be seen as a sign that he’s lost control of his caucus’s ideological wing.

Yeah, I disagree with this. Really disagree, just as I disagree with the term “caving”, whether it came from Landrieu or Sargent or any of the myriad other sources of the term.

Listen, the debt ceiling battle had high stakes. Defaulting on the national debt, regardless of what some say, would have been a disaster. Had such a thing happened, there was every reason to believe that we would have been plunged into an economic crisis so deep we wouldn’t have dug out for decades. It was a hostage situation where the life of the hostage represented the life of the nation. Given those constraints and the unprecedented Republican intransigence with regard to something that has been a routine act of Congress in the past, there was every reason to believe Republicans would, in fact, kill the hostage.

This is where I get frustrated with the DC bloggerati and press. Why were they even surprised about what the Republicans did? Why do they continue to assume there is even the smallest semblance of good faith with these people? This is an authoritarian group of elected officials who were, and continue to, govern in accordance with the wishes of their extreme right wing.

In hostage situations like that, you don’t blow up the building and kill the hostage along with the captors, especially when the hostage is the economic health of the country.

Instead of whining about Democrats caving, it would have been far better for many to recognize exactly how off the deep end their adversaries are and congratulated them for actually managing to get something done that saved us from a horrible economic fate.

Things are different now. If, in fact, jobs are the number one concern of Americans (and polls indicate they are), then it makes complete sense for the President to hold a hard line on his vision for how those jobs could and should be created.

Similarly, allowing the ideologues to withhold disaster assistance for additional budget cuts is policy madness. It goes against everything this country stands for. If you cannot, as a state, city, county, or individual, count on your country to come through when you’ve been devastated beyond your ability to cope, then there’s not a whole lot of point to having a country.

Let me say it clearly: Disaster assistance is one of the reasons a government should exist. To help with things beyond the control of an individual or municipality. And it should not be a hostage. This is the Democrats’ belief, their ideology. And it is an ideology that serves every citizen in this country. As a Californian, the last thing I want to hear is President Romney declare our disaster area after a 8.0 earthquake, only to have Congress dither over which picayune cuts they should make to scrape together assistance.

Not only that, but disaster funding helps the economy. It pays to get people on their feet, construction folks working to repair the damage, homes rebuilt faster. Local economies grow, believe it or not, when they recover quickly from disasters. Businesses recover faster. There are more jobs.

So yes, it makes total sense for Harry Reid to stand on this principle, and ignore the ridiculous demagoguing Republicans are indulging themselves in. But here’s the key: He has to make it clear exactly what it is they’re fighting for. If he’s going to risk a government shutdown, he needs to be crystal-clear that he is standing for every person in every area that was devastated by natural disasters now and in the future. If he fails to do that, it can be turned against him, because we all know Fox News is waiting out there to be outraged by Reid’s “block” of disaster funding.

  • http://twitter.com/ReasonVsFear Leesa Brown

    Clear, concise, and eloquent. Thank you. So…. why do so many people miss the 10-ton rampaging elephant in the room? It appears to be invisible to far too many out there. We need to stop blaming the President and Democrats in Congress for the insanity and intransigence of the current GOP “Leadership”.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    I do truly believe that many inside the Beltway (including the President for awhile) didn’t believe the right wing would actually do what they’re doing.

    As recently as yesterday, there was some question about whether or not Boehner would come back from the failed continuing resolution vote with one crafted as a compromise with Dems or the tea party. In other words, would he turn left or turn right?

    I think we all know what the answer to that is now. He will bend right, because they control the Republican party now. He has his speakership at their pleasure. We get that. When will the pundits?

  • http://twitter.com/ReasonVsFear Leesa Brown

    Good question. Too many of the pundits, sadly, have an agenda. All too often that agenda is controlled by money, or by ratings. Most of that money, unfortunately, comes from the right-wing.

    And when it gets right down to it, Boehner and his crew are wholly owned by the Koch Brothers, Rupert Murdoch, and the mouthpieces who do their dirty work – like Rush Limbaugh. They’ve set up this huge machine with the sole purpose of making the richest few even richer, and they stand to profit on our demise. Blasted disaster capitalists, the whole lot of them, and their machine is working far too well.

  • http://leftwingnutjob.net Dusty, Hells most vocal bitch.

    It’s so hard for me to argue against you and your fine logic woman..but.. I still say we should of let political nihilism take over and let the public see what the R’s brought down upon us by refusing to budge on this trumped up issue, an issue that has been there since we started running a debt in 1917..I think it’s the only way to wake up the vast majority of voters who get their ‘news’ in 15 & 30 sec soundbites on the networks every night.

    Now scream at me and call me crazy..and please remember.. I value your opinion and I even agree with most of it..I am just one of those dippy, dumbass ideologues on the left I guess. Aren’t we the one’s that drive you crazy? ;-)

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    LOL, no. The ones who drive me crazy are the ones who don’t see the problem clearly. In your case, you see the problem clearly but have a different solution. I’ll be honest. I don’t have 20 years to recover from what would happen if they were given free reign to take over the country. And I’m afraid one of my kids would die trying to fight back. I mean that. It’s not exaggerated. It just is. 

    What drives me crazy is when the mainstream puts the wild-eyed insanity of the right on Obama’s shoulders, as if he is somehow responsible for their madness. As long as we’re clear on what the problem is, we should be able to figure a path to the solution.

  • http://leftwingnutjob.net Dusty, Hells most vocal bitch.

    Oh, and I sent you an email on your I Obot post which really impressed me. I won’t recap it here but I hope you read it as I am ‘one of those’ that has been pushing to Primary Obama..but your piece has me thinking now as it’s the best explanation I have read for those on the left that hate the idea and will still vote for him. ;-)

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    thanks! I’ll definitely read and respond. I have to close comments here pretty rapidly or else the trolls start coming out. And the spammers. So I appreciate the email.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    hey, where’d you send that email? I’ve not received it yet. 

  • http://leftwingnutjob.net Dusty, Hells most vocal bitch.

    To the drumsnwhistles email addy..couple of days ago actually.

  • http://leftwingnutjob.net Dusty, Hells most vocal bitch.

    Karoli, Your email address here is: drums@drumsnwhistles.com  right? I just forwarded that email I referenced earlier as my dumbass screwed up the email addy evidently when I sent it the first time around. ;-)

  • Rafael Noboa Rivera

    Great post. I only have one quibble: many folks on the left, myself included, wanted the debt ceiling issue resolved during the lame duck session, when we held both chambers. We wanted it resolved *precisely* because we thought that the Republicans *would* hold the world economy hostage — and we predicted as much. Do it now, don’t give them that chance, we said.

    We were told by many folks, *including the President*, that we had *nothing* to worry about with respect to the debt ceiling, because once the Republicans controlled the House, they would obviously feel the weight of having to govern, and of course they would have to deal on the debt ceiling.

    And, well, look what happened?

    What was aggravating about the debt ceiling fiasco was that it was an entirely *avoidable* fight, and one which carried the risk of making the President look impotent. We didn’t *have* to have the debt ceiling fight. 

    People talk about fighting, and I’m favour of that; but it’s even more important to fight on ground of your choosing, that is advantageous to you. My biggest problem with this White House isn’t so much that they fight; my biggest problem with them is that when they choose to fight, it’s on the worst possible ground to have a fight.

    I will say, though, that I’m totally in favour of what they’ve been doing lately. :-) .

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    That goes to the whole sort of slow-walking wakeup that Dems and the POTUS had to go through before they internalized just how incredibly craven this group is. I think everyone thought they’d kick, scream, and raise it. No one really understood how far they’d go. They should have. But they didn’t.

    Now they do. And let’s hope they never, ever forget.

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