Working it out in public: What’s my problem with #OccupyWallStreet?

by Karoli on October 1, 2011 · 15 comments

All day long today I’ve been asking myself what it is about the Occupy Wall Street/Los Angeles/[insert city here] movement that causes me to have such ambivalence and reservations. On the one hand, I believe there is a place for public protest in our political discourse, particularly in light of the dysfunctional corporate print/radio/cable news outlets. There is a place for the public square to be well and fully utilized, for organic movements to press forward and shape political debates, to serve as a voice for people.

To that end, these protests succeed on that level and I applaud them, because they are borne out of anger at inequality and a lopsided system that isn’t working for people. Their statement today pretty clearly lays out their list of grievances. It’s pretty complete. I also appreciated the final conclusion, which allows for solutions which may exist within our current political system.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

I also appreciate the emphasis on peacefulness and definitely have no love for what the police, particularly in New York, are doing right now. Pepper-spraying peaceful protesters is provocation. So I applaud the protesters for remaining peaceful and not retaliating when there was justification for it.

So what is it? What is it that has me less than 100% behind their effort? Why am I unwilling to wrap my arms around them and embrace it?

Possibly it is as simple as not witnessing it firsthand. Online communications have a way of skewing toward hyperbole and over-romanticized presentation. Comparing this effort to Tahrir Square, for example, is repellent to me. The goals of Tahrir were entirely different, and involved dislodging a dictator posing as President. Waxing on about this being similar is misstating fact and hyping it into something it’s not, as their declaration clearly states.

Possibly it is the sense that it isn’t inclusive, which is again partly related to online impressions rather than firsthand experience. But then I would say this is more a function of online communications and the desire of some to write off anyone not swooning over the pending revolution. In person, that’s a less likely outcome, and I’m inclined to discount it.

I think what it is, is the sense that discontent expressed doesn’t necessarily lead to a solution. Or maybe, this tweet explains what disquiets me:

I wouldn’t be expecting a near-term political result from this. #ows is aiming at something much deeper & fundamental

Near or far term, I am unwilling to set aside the electoral system as the way to accomplish their stated goals. It has worked for over 2 centuries. Giving up on it, as someone else suggested, is a frightening prospect.

Throughout history, protest has disrupted the status quo to attain specific goals. The anti-war protests of the 60s aimed to end the Vietnam war. The civil rights protests had a goal of attaining equal rights for all citizens, but especially blacks and minorities. These were goals wrought out of unrest and protest, but brought into being through political means, over time.

Each and every concern/complaint listed in that declaration is real and worthy of attention and action. But the action has to begin from the bottom and move up in the form of pressure on the political system. So it’s possible that my reservations stem from the sense that there’s a call to kill
the patient in the process of curing it. I don’t support that.

While Wall Street is a worthy target (as are the bankers and sociopathic traders and speculators), I don’t see killing the corporations as a solution to the problem. What happens to those still employed?

What we have is a serious imbalance. Serious. The pressure is on to balance it. That part of these protests is and will continue to be praiseworthy. But I am committed to change from within the system, rather than destroying it.

I found this Saul Alinsky quote instructive:

There’s another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevski said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution. To bring on this reformation requires that the organizer work inside the system, among not only the middle class but the 40 per cent of American families – more than seventy million people – whose income range from $5,000 to $10,000 a year [in 1971]. They cannot be dismissed by labeling them blue collar or hard hat. They will not continue to be relatively passive and slightly challenging. If we fail to communicate with them, if we don’t encourage them to form alliances with us, they will move to the right. Maybe they will anyway, but let’s not let it happen by default.

It could be that there’s been a failure to communicate. This isn’t fatal, but it’s worth taking notice that I’m asking questions rather than dismissing everything out of hand. It might be worth answering them for me, rather than assuming I’m an old, stodgy naysayer who wants to diss the entire effort because I have questions. That happened more than once. Let’s hope this time my concerns can be laid to rest rather than magnified.

  • http://www.osborneink.com OsborneInk

    I’d say that Alinsky was too prescient, that ineffective liberal communication with the working class is the biggest reason why they tend to vote for conservatives. 

  • http://www.charlesfrith.com charlesfrith

    All day long I’ve been asking myself. Why is that I’m so ambivalent about the scribblings of a man who never protested in his life and equates his prostate with the the collective future.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    Interesting question. Who is that man? Because it’s not me.

  • Anonymous

    Even teabaggers knew enough that their bigoted whining needed to have the goal of GETTING BIGOTS LIKE THEM ELECTED.

    And it appears from quotes such as those you cited that “progressives” have simply given up on the entire electoral process. Just like they did in 2008. So they’re helping more teabaggers get elected.

    When the going gets tough, “progressives” take their ball and just go stand in the street.

    Awesome.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    Standing in the street is just fine. Giving up on the electoral process isn’t. Why do the two have to be separated?

  • Anonymous

    :) There’s no *conceptual* reason whatsoever why they HAVE to be so separated. There is, however, the empirical FACT that have been,  for “progressives”.

    Same with Elizabeth Warren, re: “progressives”. They have compartmentalized their entire political dinner plate, making damn sure that they never, EVER touch anything that might directly help Obama.

    It’s basically religious-style decision they made a few years back.

  • Anonymous

    Here is another reason why I have my doubts: In this video someone named George Mapp is speculating that the Obama admin might send weaponized drones over the protests.  As he was talking about the 700 people who got arrested in Brooklyn, he mentions Al-Alwaki who was recently assassinated.  Does he mean to say that Pres. Obama would have these protesters assassinated? He barely mentions Republicans and even says the protests could help them in the elections.  How many people in OWS feel this way? If that’s the majority then I don’t want any part of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFeHRMEV_Hc&feature=player_embedded

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    Ah, the Paulites and tea party have discovered they can AstroTurf, eh? That conspiracy stuff will not endear anyone to anything, mostly. The ones on the fringe will alienate the ones who are silent and angry. Everyone’s angry. Everyone is anxious. Expressing it is their right. Acting on it is their obligation.

  • Anonymous

     ”The 99%” is hardly exclusive. I see it as an attempt to inspire those who have suffered under 3 decades of “trickle down” economics that never reached them to tell their stories. it’s much harder for ideological myths regarding unemployment and laziness and the like to maintain sway over those in the 99% who still believe that they are magically going to make it to the 1% if they pray or work hard enough when confronted with stories they can relate to. As such, I suspect this movement has  real potential to eventually start crossing the hardened political party lines we’ve become accustomed to. Before the Tea Party was completely astroturfed, there was a lot of anger towards bank and wall street bailouts, which might eventually be re-ignited. (i.e. I find it interesting that most of the inappropriate police actions were carried out by the white shirts rather than the blue ones, who know their pensions and union benefits are more precarious)

    If the protests had more specific political demands at this point in time, it would probably become less inclusive, and play into popular political myths and divisiveness rather than attempt to go beyond them.

  • Dara Walker

    sherifffruitfly - Your anger clearly shows in your constant use of derogatory terms. 

    What you (and you friends on Wall Street) fail to realize is this: While you’re out in the street shouting, “THIS is what Democracy looks like!” America is, was, and always WILL BE – a Constitutional REPUBLIC! Democracy = Mob Rule! Republic = governance by ‘officials’ – elected BY THE People. Surely you can see the difference?

    TARP – the beginning of the downward spiral - poked at the sleeping bear, we Conservatives (‘teabaggers’, if you must) grumbled. When Obamacare was rammed through -  he came fully awake… and we took action, not by camping out in a public park for weeks, tweeting on our high dollar cellphones and gadgets, dressed in designer jeans – bought with Mom and Dad’s credit cards, pounding drums, distupting traffic, getting arrested, etc. - but at Town Hall meetings and the ballot box.

    As for the Wall Street People’s ‘demands’ some – I agree with. Wall Street is NOT without issues.

    However:

    WALL ST - did not force people to buy homes they could not afford. (See Dodd/Frank)
    WALL ST – did not force kids to run up huge debt to go to schools they could not afford.
    WALL ST – did not send hundreds of thousands of jobs overseas (See unions, govt. regulations)
    WALL ST – is not the Federal Reserve (See Bernanke)

    The TEA party – T.axed E.nough A.lready – are fed up. And you can call us what ever nasty term you like - we’re tough, we can take it… and we WILL –  to the ballot box in 2012.

  • http://twitter.com/sue__b Sue Barnhart

    I’m sorry but I remember the anti war protests of the vietnam was & the 1968 democratic convention as the group of radicals that pushed LBJ out..  member him?  Gave us the Civil rights act & Medicare… member him?  And thanks to the far left we got Nixon.  My die hard democratic, FDR lovin Aunt & Grandma,  hadn’t voted R ever ever UNTIL THEN.  They sadly cast their votes for tricky Dick.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    Exador23, I am one of those other 99%. And I have some deep anxiety about who and what I am being called to ally with. I am not criticizing or saying they shouldn’t be doing this. On the contrary. But what I am saying is that I don’t want to join a movement that intends to fundamentally change the representative democracy we have in this nation. I have not seen evidence of how the organizers intend to bring about the change they seek. It could be that they haven’t fully realized a vision for that yet, which is to be expected. But I don’t want anarchy and I don’t want a civil war in this country either. Right now we’re living in a tinderbox. I think expressing reservations is fair, given that overall I support their peaceful approach to being heard.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve looked over the various websites and statements affiliated with the protests. I haven’t seen anything that troubles me or suggests they’re seeking to overthrow the government. to the contrary, they seem rather committed to non-violence. And the primary goal seems to be reigning in corporations and their influence on government. You’re certainly welcome to have reservations, but i’m not seeing anything nefarious, destabilizing, or exclusive about this. And I am seeing people who ordinarily shy away from politics becoming interested in it. The wisconsin protests had some rather specific demands, and it just fizzled away when they were ignored.

  • http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/ Karoli

    I didn’t say ‘overthrow the government’. But think this through to its final conclusion, or possible conclusions. 1) Energy harnessed within the movement is used to push representative government away from corporate influence. That’s a great outcome. I’d totally support that. 2) Energy harnessed within the movement is co-opted by Ralph Nader to repeat 2000. That’s a terrible outcome. 3) Energy harnessed within the movement is used to foment and stir anger without any discernable change goal. That’s an outcome I hope doesn’t happen, because it will benefit no one. 

    These are anxious times. I’m as anxious as the next person. But I am also concerned that outcomes be measured in terms of change that actually benefits the movement. To that end, I fully support all efforts toward outcome 1.

  • http://www.charlesfrith.com charlesfrith

    Good to hear that.

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